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I think that baptism is simply the acceptance of a child into a community interested in its welfare. Does indeed take a village to raise a child.
In Baptist tradition, said acceptance is done without the use of water. It's called an Infant Dedication or an Infant ThanksgivingI think that baptism is simply the acceptance of a child into a community interested in its welfare. Does indeed take a village to raise a child.
That's just an isolated opinion ... with all the baffling distance don't you note that something else stinks other than opinions? Opinions are defined as emotionally bond to shut out anything different ... thus a' gap heh! Synapsis ... on sign these fire up .. requiring relaxation syndrome ... one can rest on it ... that small void! Tis an approximation of nothing ...In Baptist tradition, said acceptance is done without the use of water. It's called an Infant Dedication or an Infant Thanksgiving
Negotiating baptisms can be interesting. I generally suggest beginning with something of a dedication service. This opens the way to consideration of the commitment required of the baptized and the possibility of baptism in some future time. A key element is the establishing and building of relationship.One of the ongoing debates in the United Church (and likely in some other mainline churches) is when should one say yes or no to a baptism request....
In large part the way you answer that will depend on your understanding of what baptism is and signifies. In smaller part it may depend on pragmatic and political considerations...
My thinking is that the communion table should be a closed one, and that only parents who will educate their children in the Christian faith should have them baptized.
My 'prior' church also had a fairly open policy with both baptism & marriage - but I see in amalgamation that the 'other' church does not - so it will be quite interesting to see how all that works out in future.
How open did Jesus make the communion table? He was with his closest followers...I am thinking this is what Jesus would do.
And I personally think that communion - as Christ showed when he instituted it - is for the followers of Christ - some of us happening to be society's ostracized.Jesus hung out with a lot of people, including many people ostracized by society. I personally think he wouldn't put a lot of conditions on inclusion into God's community, or meal.
Unfortunately, I have to suggest that's a modern reading. The fact is, many ancient teachers and mystery religions had ritual meals and generally only initiates were part of them. The best evidence is the mere fact that Jesus only invited the twelve to the last supper. Had it been intended as an "open table", he could have done it with a larger group of followers or in front of the multitudes. Instead, he initiated it in a closed room surrounded only by his chosen, making it, to my classicist's eye, more akin to the ritual meals of Mithraism and the Eleusinian Mysteries than a modern "open table" communion. Now, I would suggest that the modern church is quite free to open up its notion of who is "initiated" as widely as it likes, but I do not think Jesus himself intended it for the masses. Witness also the teaching in Mark that we discussed earlier in the week about Jesus speaking to the masses in parables but giving deeper explanations to his followers. That's also a hallmark of a classical "mystery" religion.Jesus hung out with a lot of people, including many people ostracized by society. I personally think he wouldn't put a lot of conditions on inclusion into God's community, or meal.
So I think I am throwing down with Jae on what Jesus' original intentions were, historically speaking. However, much of Christian practice has little to do with that reality and lots to do with the church interpreting the stories in the light of its own reality, so I would also argue that the practice of "open table" is as justified as that of "closed table".And I personally think that communion - as Christ showed when he instituted it - is for the followers of Christ - some of us happening to be society's ostracized.
But without understanding does this mean anything to the nebulous being retained in the dark with the doctrine of blind respect to the plutarch ... in this case often a minister of naivete ...