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Waterfall

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i did',nt say that either, you guys keep assuming, so what your saying is , you don't need Gods help in your relationships cuz your so good at it on your own
No I believe Jesus places importance on the two commandements He spoke of to be considered inseparable.
 

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but man is supreme over your relationships rather than God

Got it
I dont believe thats what I said at all....this is a teaching moment for Jesus to show what the kingdom should look like....by loving your fellow man as much as you love God.
 

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What I am saying, and that waterfall is, as well, is that they are inseparable. I have repeatedly pointed out what happens then they are not balanced, RedBaron keeps on bringing up the actual text that shows that Jesus thought they were inseparable. There's even a magic word "like" to indicate equivalency/codependence of these two commandments.
 

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I dont believe thats what I said at all....this is a teaching moment for Jesus to show what the kingdom should look like....by loving your fellow man as much as you love God.
here is the kingdom that Fits in line with what I keep saying God First Matt 6:33 seek first the Kingdom of God

and here is Matt 22:36 , because you people liek to change what scripture actually says

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.

it does not say love your fellow man as much as you love God, it says as much s YOU LOVE YOURSELF

to love like we love God is called idolatry

I do not worship my fellow man , I have relationships with my fellow man, but I do worship God
 

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What I am saying, and that waterfall is, as well, is that they are inseparable..
they are separatable in the senses that we do not worship man as we do God, , man does give us Godly guidance.

Jesus numbered and separated the 2 its very clear, God to Moses made it commandment number ONE for a reason

in our relationships with one another, God is not equal or Last , God is First aka Supreme
 

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But, bb, you're a trinitarian. You believe Jesus is God, and Jesus said most clearly that He/God would be found particularly/spectacularly, in the hungry, the naked, the sick, the imprisoned. The last will be first.

It's the treatment of others that matters, not their beliefs. Worry about your own beliefs on your own time. In private.
 

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But, bb, you're a trinitarian.
I am yes

You believe Jesus is God,
well very God very Man, yes

and Jesus said most clearly that He/God would be found particularly/spectacularly, in the hungry, the naked, the sick, the imprisoned. The last will be first.
no, Jesus never said that, what Jesus did say was to love these people and Jesus went even further to say to pray for those who do evil against us , why should we love people because they are made in Gods Image, we are called to love one and other, we are not called to worship one another like we do the Creator , that's idolatry



It's the treatment of others that matters,
no argument there, all I'm saying is God first, God helps us achieve the proper treatment of others, the way God wants us to.

which is why Jesus maid it the very 1st commandment
 

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Thus be cautious about what you believed you quoted without understanding that it wasn't as it appeared ...
 

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Context, I think, is really helpful.

In order then, Jesus in answering the question, "What is the greatest of the Commandments?" responds with "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind and all your strength." He then offers a bonus of the second greatest commandment, "love your neighbour as yourself."

Are they separate but connected? Are they interdependent?

Is it only one and not the other?

Other fun facts about the teaching of scripture,

humanity is fearfully and wonderfully put together in its mother's womb by God. God knits us together.

humanity is created in the image and likeness of God.

If one can actually manage to love God with all of their heart, soul, mind, and strength one would think one would automatically love the image of God found embedded in every human being simply because it is a portrait of the God who is loved. One would also think that such a deep love would also love the work of God's hands that every human being represents.

Neither is really a mind-blowing idea.

And yet, it does not appear to be the case that people easily make those connections even though they are not great leaps of logic.

For some reason, humanity defaults to an either/or perspective rather than a both/and perspective.

We either love God at the expense of God's image and likeness which God fashioned together in our mother's wombs or, we disdain God and favour the image and likeness and workmanship of God in God's place.

Is that not bizarrely inconsistent?

I think Jesus in offering the two for one deal draws a line and identifies two points on that line. Following that line and making sure that those two points are honoured is probably the ideal life of faith. Not that we are going to clear that bar on every attempt. Certainly won't clear it if we think that they are two points on two separate bars where only one really matters.

Theoretically, I think it easy to grasp both commandments.

Practically, I think we don't invest the effort that either one genuinely requires and for the most part we justify our falling short.

Memory doesn't really help me to recall anyone command that Jesus actually made easier or provided short-cuts for. That he places these two so close together suggests, to me at any rate, that we are not paying close enough attention to what is really being requested.
 

Luce NDs

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Context, I think, is really helpful.

In order then, Jesus in answering the question, "What is the greatest of the Commandments?" responds with "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind and all your strength." He then offers a bonus of the second greatest commandment, "love your neighbour as yourself."

Are they separate but connected? Are they interdependent?

Is it only one and not the other?

Other fun facts about the teaching of scripture,

humanity is fearfully and wonderfully put together in its mother's womb by God. God knits us together.

humanity is created in the image and likeness of God.

If one can actually manage to love God with all of their heart, soul, mind, and strength one would think one would automatically love the image of God found embedded in every human being simply because it is a portrait of the God who is loved. One would also think that such a deep love would also love the work of God's hands that every human being represents.

Neither is really a mind-blowing idea.

And yet, it does not appear to be the case that people easily make those connections even though they are not great leaps of logic.

For some reason, humanity defaults to an either/or perspective rather than a both/and perspective.

We either love God at the expense of God's image and likeness which God fashioned together in our mother's wombs or, we disdain God and favour the image and likeness and workmanship of God in God's place.

Is that not bizarrely inconsistent?

I think Jesus in offering the two for one deal draws a line and identifies two points on that line. Following that line and making sure that those two points are honoured is probably the ideal life of faith. Not that we are going to clear that bar on every attempt. Certainly won't clear it if we think that they are two points on two separate bars where only one really matters.

Theoretically, I think it easy to grasp both commandments.

Practically, I think we don't invest the effort that either one genuinely requires and for the most part we justify our falling short.

Memory doesn't really help me to recall anyone command that Jesus actually made easier or provided short-cuts for. That he places these two so close together suggests, to me at any rate, that we are not paying close enough attention to what is really being requested.
Can one get hung up on the in between state as a slow spot to watch the extremes as a medium? This is not for those that expect one or the other without overlap ... sometimes observed as unlikeable over scars ...

Then bandages can cover up some of the wounds ... later the evil evidence will creep out as hard metaphor ... still there are those that will not believe that dirt happens ... given the state ... we desire to rise too ...
 
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