When Christian people disagree on matters of faith.

blackbelt1961

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So, we all agree. Order of the two statements does not matter. They are interdependent.

That's quite interesting.
How do you figure we all agree I've been arguing that God is always first.

That's how its numbered in Scripture , God 1st people 2nd

Why

Because when we have God in our life first he guides our relationships properly

When we don't have God in our life first were on our own in our relationships
 

BetteTheRed

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But, BB, if you put a particular God first in your life, then you put a particular part of creation (human, believer), above others.
 

blackbelt1961

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But, BB, if you put a particular God first in your life, then you put a particular part of creation (human, believer), above others.
How do you figure that , we have two entities at play here the Creator who is God and creation the rest of us.

Or if I understand you correctly you're coming from the belief that the objective does not exist, or as in my case I believe the objective truly exists separate and apart from us
 

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But, there's only One God, right?
There's only one creator to be specific his name is Yahweh the Bible clearly teaches there are other gods

I know in today's day and age we used the word God as a name but that's not true God is a title it's like Trump his title is president , there are a lot of other presidents in the world but it's not his name his name is Trump
 

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So, you are not a monotheist? You think there are other gods? Places where your god is not? Sort of an enormous Risk game? Have you been reading American Gods as truth?
 

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So, you are not a monotheist? You think there are other gods? Places where your god is not? Sort of an enormous Risk game? Have you been reading American Gods as truth?
Well we discussed this before I believe there is one God who is a creator I also believe there are other gods like scripture actually says you shall have no other gods before me it's interesting that the Creator would come up with that commandment if they did not exist.

Then later on in the New Testament Paul calls these other gods powers and principalities in higher places.

For example and I know you guys don't believe but I'm going to use him anyhow Satan is considered the god of this world,
Satan is not a Creator he is a created being he is an angel but he has the office if you will of godlike status over the powers and principalities that govern this world.

Also Jesus himself calls the Pharisees god put you in a position of god-like status over your people then act like it why would Jesus call them out and say you guys have the position of god clearly they're not the Creator but they held that office over the people.

Which is why the Bible on uses the small g or Big G.

Another example in today's world money can be our God sex can be our God anything the route Revere and our life more than anything becomes our God for other religions that create statues and they Revere these statues so powerfully that the statues become God in their life they give it so much power that they come to believe it but these statues are just simply mortar they're not the Creator
 

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What isn't acceptable about others recognising something like what you call Holy Spirit?

Is this really supposed to be a Christian Forum? Darn - I thought it was a Discussion Forum. Unless some Admins tell me to disappear I'm staying but don't self describe as Christian.
I guess as suggested by some brute theologians I an required to leave. Nothing but the great void of god's essence belongs here as a ghost of thought, wisdom and all that ... nothing to it!
 

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I think the question here is not 'silencing'. It's freedom of interpretation.

You and unsafe and others claim to the have the Word of God in hand. But you can't really tell us which word. Which original language? Are we starting from Hebrew or Latin for the Hebrew Bible? Who are the specialists in Koine greek? Did you know that Paul made up a word or two? Which books? (Catholic canon, Protestant canon? Gnostic gospels?) Which translation? I'll tell you - you wanna put the Message next to the Inclusive next to GW or the AMP on some passages and you'd wonder if they were translating the same passage.

So different groups of people have come to hugely disparate conclusions about these texts. So "bible-believing" is an amorphous statement, at best. And it just isn't a credential for standing on your soapbox, loudly, or largely, proclaiming, that "I Have Won. I Have the Only Right Answer."

So, perhaps you are not being silenced as much, as self-excluding yourself from a relational sort of conversation.
Does a bible believing Christian deny questions regarding interpretation of the great unknown ... given the curios chaos the controversy of the bible stirs as a test to mortal physical items of creation?

I've been told by brute experts on the institution ... that I am not qualified to interpret the appearances of their unknowing nature ... which I accept well as I have experienced how little is known of the whole thing of interest! Some have no interest at all beyond the point ... a dot of zero dimensional context ... an awesome spot to be in ...

Some things are based on picked statements that ignore the whole context of a large tome. I know people thta swear by it and yet have never read into it with some sense of adept ... others read it over and over and absorbed nothing as it is a dead myth to them ... and means are not accepted as medium to the extremes ... mediums being stored in the midst of chaos of life ... a profound realization sometimes called cognizance or a passing apocalyptic thought ... gone in a spark or other type of Flash ... unrelatable in reality? Supports the near death thing as k*n-OBI ...
 
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Well we discussed this before I believe there is one God who is a creator I also believe there are other gods like scripture actually says you shall have no other gods before me it's interesting that the Creator would come up with that commandment if they did not exist.

Then later on in the New Testament Paul calls these other gods powers and principalities in higher places.

For example and I know you guys don't believe but I'm going to use him anyhow Satan is considered the god of this world,
Satan is not a Creator he is a created being he is an angel but he has the office if you will of godlike status over the powers and principalities that govern this world.

Also Jesus himself calls the Pharisees god put you in a position of god-like status over your people then act like it why would Jesus call them out and say you guys have the position of god clearly they're not the Creator but they held that office over the people.

Which is why the Bible on uses the small g or Big G.

Another example in today's world money can be our God sex can be our God anything the route Revere and our life more than anything becomes our God for other religions that create statues and they Revere these statues so powerfully that the statues become God in their life they give it so much power that they come to believe it but these statues are just simply mortar they're not the Creator
Thus the severe urge for wealthy success in most churchy orders ... the poor being detailed to the outside intelligence ... stange intelligen is satan ... a devil of a thig to learn if seized by passions for naivete! Yet ignorance is said to be bliss ... heavenly ...
 

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But I know you were that's why I said I'm losing mine I was joking with you I mean is everybody so really that serious around here
Seriously, you question ... that's hairy ... like dust bunnies!
But I would argue that the order doesn't/cannot matter, because if it does, then some people will use the "order" argument to suggest that one element of Godde's Creation is less than another, that an unbeliever matters less in the eyes of Godde than the believer. So not all of Creation is neighbour; just some privileged sub-class.

And I call bulls**t. There's no grace there.
Thoroughly infused by some eliminated by others that are determinately isolated from the pain of learning ... thus blissfully naive ... if one has no love for strange intelligence ... foreign wisdom to those that were unknowing in the first place?

Appearance is we were born that way ... some were born knowing eternal wisdom ... or so they say. Realization of how little we know may be a shocking revelation ...

In tanglement theocracy?
 

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Well we discussed this before I believe there is one God who is a creator I also believe there are other gods like scripture actually says you shall have no other gods before me it's interesting that the Creator would come up with that commandment if they did not exist.

Then later on in the New Testament Paul calls these other gods powers and principalities in higher places.

For example and I know you guys don't believe but I'm going to use him anyhow Satan is considered the god of this world,
Satan is not a Creator he is a created being he is an angel but he has the office if you will of godlike status over the powers and principalities that govern this world.

Also Jesus himself calls the Pharisees god put you in a position of god-like status over your people then act like it why would Jesus call them out and say you guys have the position of god clearly they're not the Creator but they held that office over the people.

Which is why the Bible on uses the small g or Big G.

Another example in today's world money can be our God sex can be our God anything the route Revere and our life more than anything becomes our God for other religions that create statues and they Revere these statues so powerfully that the statues become God in their life they give it so much power that they come to believe it but these statues are just simply mortar they're not the Creator
In tanglement suggest hariy chaos as a curios thing ... like god parts in all things that would create isolated chits, bits and nibs ... nibbles at the essence of what's innate!
 

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Crossan is a false teacher you all know that I have said this before , but stoning is not the way to go , speaking truth and praying that the Holy Spirit opens their eyes is the way to go.
I don't agree with the first part, but you hit the nail on the head when you said stoning is not the way to go. Jesus stopped a stoning, right?
 

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Crossan is a false teacher you all know that I have said this before , but stoning is not the way to go , speaking truth and praying that the Holy Spirit opens their eyes is the way to go.
Have you actually read any of Dr. Crossan's writings, or is this just something someone told you?
 

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Does the fact that you've said it before make it true?
Not at all, , what he teaches is not biblical, not even en the Jewish senses, makes that's what makes his teaching false.


I've also said before that I don't agree with you.
some don't, some do, nothing new

I find him an intelligent, well-educated, spirit-filled person who has devoted his life to the study of the life and times of Jesus.
educated yes, spirit-filled no , hes a false teacher, but that does not make him a liar,
 

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Have you actually read any of Dr. Crossan's writings, or is this just something someone told you?
a lot of what he believes, yes I have, especially his take on the resurrection, BTY, there are some very good debates between Crossan and other professor believers.

I have asked you this before, with no reply, do you know what the difference between Truth and Falsehoods?

I never called Crossan a liar and I do not believe that he is a liar , I said he is a false teaher
 

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How do you figure we all agree I've been arguing that God is always first.

That's how its numbered in Scripture , God 1st people 2nd

Why

Because when we have God in our life first he guides our relationships properly

When we don't have God in our life first were on our own in our relationships
We see such amazing interpretations of this - child abuse and so on.
 
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