What Non-Christians Wish Christians Knew....

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Redbaron

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Here's another article from Pantheos. The article was written a while ago, but still quite relevant.

 

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That's right down my line ...

To love all things is too love a wise God (ideal) that is out there beyond the collective that doesn't wish to know ... by avoiding the magical tree of knowledge ... branching books, tomes and manuscrits that address oxymorons and such enigmas ...

Is God a circuitive metaphor for all things and integral collectives ... that small dark center of the brain ... Boson? They worked under the commander ... but really the director of the magi vessel in both Master and Commander and the older legend of the alb*atr*oss. Boid-like sailor ... that takes on the winds ... like Bathsheba ... mother essence of the myth? Fewed wish to know the implications ...
 

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This is my view on this -----

I say -----Well then there is the Christians who by the way are not all True Christ-ians--- wish the Non Christians would listen to their own advice and stop giving Christians their opinions on how bad of a Christian they really are by sharing the Word or being high minder thinking that they are better than other in their opinion -----Jesus preached to all people not certain groups of people some heard the word and it changed them because they received it ---- some heard the word and discarded it -----just maybe the Non Christians need to understand that it is not the Christian that can change the Non Christian it is the hearing of the Word which inbirths God's Faith that can had has the ability to change the person to just maybe want to read more of God's word ------

Non Christians are just as bad as the Christians who have no understanding of the Power of the word and how it can effect and change one who has a hardened heart towards God ------it is a heart issue not a person issue ----many atheists have come to Christ by hearing the word ------we humans have been given free choice to receive or reject God so it is all up to us in what we do -----

Here is an example -----of how non Christians have no idea what they are saying about Jesus -----and yet through their ignorance of the word they criticize -----so non Christians in my view should be wise about what the word really says before they just speak what they think the word says ------

this is a comment from the article

“I feel that Christians have got it all wrong; it seems to me that they’ve created the very thing Jesus was against: Separatism.”–

I say -----What does the word really say as to how Jesus came ----Jesus came with a sword to divide not to bring peace -----So this person is spouting off at Christians and he himself is ignorant about the word -----it is the pot calling the kettle black in my view -----one is as bad as the other -----


So the article for me is a bunch of hoopla ----it is just one group going after the other saying nesting things about the other group ----this is nothing new and this will continue until Jesus comes back and separates the Sheep from the Goats His way ----not our way -----

We in this chaotic world will continue to judge each other in the way We see fit ----Division --Separation will remain within the masses till Jesus stops it -----
 

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There is a hint there that we shall not be freed until escaping the physical virtuality ... into the essence of soul (altruist) where knowledge resides with wisdom at the core.

Now in reality does the winner need to control and downplay all else of god's infinite domain? In mythology thoughts are light hidden in the obscurity of the inky protocol of Empires of occult nature that claim the other is bad because of refusal of blinded authority.

Humbly, one has to back away from active power to avoid being consumed by the same. It seems it is not hard literal force but a larger literary health. To have read beyond the primary source as suggested by the wee end verse of Gospel of John (hidden wisdom if you skim over for the verses often used by fiery tongue types) kerygma? Some tongues burn with fear, while warmer tongues present the gentile message to the dark area (sacred soul).

The systems of demos seem to require complimentary activity with smaller fires! Once the system burns down ... we start again from the animal domain. I listen to the conflict between bullish polity and I tend to withdraw to the range of the demos beyond what powerful conflict can destroy. The separation needs to be felled from both sides. Unified poles in the secular regions???? It is all in the abstract ... one needs to find the missing medium ... a psyche that is beyond disruptive emotions. Works both ways ... not accepted by desires only to win. I consider retreating right out of real spirit (oxymoron).

Oxymoron being another form of enigma ... for those that cannot reconcile or pull together ... dumping crude criticisms based on hard protocol. Imagine softer versions as deeply buried in the pearly medium ... core value vs hard BS. Calm passion ...
 

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What I wonder is whether he got no positive responses ("here's what Christians get right and should keep getting right") or just didn't include any because it didn't fit the tone he was going for. As we can see on here, there's really a diversity of attitudes on both sides, some more accommodating of other's beliefs. Yes, I have had the "you are going to Hell" or "you can't be moral without God" conversations, but I also have a lot of conversations where Christians and non-Christians aren't as far apart as you'd think on some (even many) issues.

In the end, a lot comes down to stripping off the labels and seeing each other as unique human beings. If we can relate to each other on that level, then this business about labels and judging each other on those labels can be overcome to a great degree.
 

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Well, he did specifically ask for responses from those who had been from the receiving end of 'evangelism' efforts; that may have skewed his sample. He says what he printed was a random sample, but who can say how 'random' it was.
 

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Imagine Joshua (old name for Jesus) tearing down the walls between absolute emotions and the opposite abstract ... alien intelligence ... especially where elsewhere the texts say to respect the alien ... get to know them! Then they are no longer covered and dark ...
 

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In the end, a lot comes down to stripping off the labels and seeing each other as unique human beings
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One might even say that was the 'whole IDea of Christ'. “But who do you say I am?”

To be as I am or not to be as I am? That is the question.

From a scriptural perspective ...

'Yet if any one suffer as a Christian' ... does not actually mean that one is a Christian when they suffer.

When someone is 'as' something else, it does not mean one is that something else.

Peter was referring to the title 'Christian' as it is in the context of suffering.

'Christian' is in reference to the name as imposed upon them by their enemies.

As a general rule ... one would name as an enemy ... one that wants an 'other' one to suffer.

In scripture, a name usually refers to ones 'character.'

So if one adopts the 'Christian' label of their own accord ... as a Christian one might be

ignorant about the word -----it is the pot calling the kettle black in my view -----one is as bad as the other -----
 

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I have more problems from other Christians (not so much non believers) trying to tell me why I'm wrong for believing the way I do.
If I say I don't believe Jesus was God but annointed by God....then I am told I should join the Muslim or Jewish faith.....usually Muslim.
If I don't see the "resurrection" as others do then I'm told I can't be considered a Christian because that is one of the basic tenets, that Christ died for our sins.
Lately I just don't discuss it much anymore with anyone that follows a more "traditional" understanding. It's bad enough that I have to attend church during celebrations that only celebrate Easter and Christmas one way.....
 

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We in this chaotic world will continue to judge each other in the way We see fit ----Division --Separation will remain within the masses till Jesus stops it -----
Nonsense ... it is up to each their own to be responsible for their own choices ... you either follow Jesus' advice or you don't.
'It is for freedom that Christ has set us free' ... to 'love the enemy' or to 'judge the enemy'?
 

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It is better to keep the judgement to one'self to allow negative reactions to build .. if not follow Christ, use the rule of parable or satire and see if there is intelligence there to feed upon and contemplate change ... that light appeared from the dark plays of Shakespeare, Machiavelli, etc. Literature contains hidden wisdom ... the nature of the story ... to quell the gods of the mortal (secular) doman domain ... quell the power of the pen ... it is said some do not and will not make use of any communication ... they hear only their daemon's in the silence ... leaving free chance ... to choose what to do fro greater life ... your little one is said to be minimal in the greater integral of the total paradigm of humanity across time. The subconscious things come out of fuzzy mystery ...
 

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My view on this

Ritafee ------your quote ------Nonsense ... it is up to each their own to be responsible for their own choices ... you either follow Jesus' advice or you don't.

To you it may be Nonsense -----but it is not to me ----I do agree with what you say here ----it is up to each their own to be responsible for their own choices

I say ----unfortunately both groups Non Christians and Christians choose to be in division and conflict with each other and stay divided ----and that will continue as both groups are on opposite sides of the fence ---one believes and one doesn't believe ----so there will be --judgment --- division and conflict between the 2 groups -----

As far as your statement here goes ---you either follow Jesus' advice or you don't. ----Well I have no idea what you mean here as ----what do you see as Jesus advising ??????? ----Jesus came to bring division ----not peace --and that is what He says Himself ----and that division is still in place as far as Religion goes -----it is about belief and non belief

And by you saying in your statement --Nonsense ---you are in fact showing just what I am saying ----you and I are divided on this issue -----you choose to say it is Nonsense and I chose to say it isn't ---we are in conflict here with our different views -----we are in fact showing division -----which Jesus said He came to Bring ----The Word divides ---


Matthew 10:34-36 (AMP)
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace on the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword [of division between belief and unbelief]. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man’s enemies will be the members of his [own] household [when one believes and another does not].
 

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We may disagree on interpretation. Hopefully we agree on following the example of Jesus in our words and deeds. Showing ourselves not only as hearers of the word but also as doers of that word.
 

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I say ----unfortunately both groups Non Christians and Christians choose to be in division and conflict with each other and stay divided ----and that will continue as both groups are on opposite sides of the fence ---one believes and one doesn't believe ----so there will be --judgment --- division and conflict between the 2 groups -----
But we have seen dialogue here many times between believers and non-believers. I don't think these are doomed to be diametrically opposed. People simply need to accept the difference and get on with relating to the other as a person. Sure, there's the people on both sides who will engage in snark and reject that kind of dialogue. That doesn't mean that is how it is or has to be. I am still a non-believer and happily engage in dialogue with believers. The problem is that some believers see no value in me or in dialogue with me because they only see my non-belief. And that cuts the other way. I have seen sincere attempts at dialogue by believers cut down because a non-believer only saw the belief, not a person. True dialogue can happen, and does, but teaching like this doesn't help. It just tried to cut off discussion by claiming dialogue cannot happen across lines of belief.
 

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But we have seen dialogue here many times between believers and non-believers. I don't think these are doomed to be diametrically opposed. People simply need to accept the difference and get on with relating to the other as a person. Sure, there's the people on both sides who will engage in snark and reject that kind of dialogue. That doesn't mean that is how it is or has to be. I am still a non-believer and happily engage in dialogue with believers. The problem is that some believers see no value in me or in dialogue with me because they only see my non-belief. And that cuts the other way. I have seen sincere attempts at dialogue by believers cut down because a non-believer only saw the belief, not a person. True dialogue can happen, and does, but teaching like this doesn't help. It just tried to cut off discussion by claiming dialogue cannot happen across lines of belief.
If otherwise would it prove Jesus to be hard-hearted illumination? I've known teachers like that ... divides the Judean from Gentile souls ... unless open to the eternal aggregate ... the Golden Rule fails. Gold talents are soft mettle ... a shining metaphor ...
 

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and a man’s enemies will be the members of his [own] household
Love your enemies ... Jesus drew a sharp line of division between behaviors - not people. So the division lies not between people but between deciding what is right or wrong. Your father and yourself might be divided on the issue of what is right or wrong - but you can still love each other.
 

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We in this chaotic world will continue to judge each other in the way We see fit ----Division --Separation will remain within the masses till Jesus stops it -----
It doesn't have to be that way. We can choose to love one another regardless of whether we have the same interpretations or beliefs. As long as people are categorized as real or not real Christians, there will be division.

I have more problems from other Christians (not so much non believers) trying to tell me why I'm wrong for believing the way I do.
As do I. It is really dismissive.

I am not much concerned with what persons believe. I value character expressed as ethical responsibility.
Yes. Indeed.

Nonsense ... it is up to each their own to be responsible for their own choices ... you either follow Jesus' advice or you don't.
'It is for freedom that Christ has set us free' ... to 'love the enemy' or to 'judge the enemy'?
And we each tend to interpret that in our own way. We might not understand or agree. We can figure out how to love.

conflict with each other and stay divided ----and that will continue as both groups are on opposite sides of the fence ---one believes and one doesn't believe ----so there will be --judgment --- division and conflict between the 2 groups -----
We will stay divided as long as there is judgement about the "right" way to believe.
 

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Matthew 10:34-36 (AMP)
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace on the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword [of division between belief and unbelief].
This is an example of where this translation makes an assumption that is not in the original text. There's no suggestion that this is the purpose of the sword, in any other translation. There will be division in families, but there is nothing to say that the difference is of "belief".
 
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