What are jinn?

GeoFee

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George's abandonment the term "Christian" is worrying,
This brought a smile to my face.

At our core we share one human being. That one human being is troubled where any one of us presumes to possess the whole truth. This is why I turned away from Christianity. Basically, I reject any position which claims sole possession of the truth.
 

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Right, and I mock the concept. We both reject it. But I think the term "Christian" can include not taking the whole thing literally.
 

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Hi,
But I think the term "Christian" can include not taking the whole thing literally.
Are you suggesting that Christianity makes meaning available to a discerning person? This seems credible to me. Just as I draw insight from history, philosophy, literature and many other sources, I draw insight from Christianity.

I have been a curious George from my infancy. My ancestral roots will not allow me to bow down before coercive authority I will cooperate with any person or persons seeking the common good. My primary motivator is the quest for truth by means of imagination and endeavour. This in the company of persons of all times and places who have preferred the quest for truth over conformity to the agenda of power.

Guessing I enjoy respectful discourse as much as you enjoy zipping downhill on a bright winter’s day.

George

* You may have noticed that in conversation with me Pontifex tends to make clear that if I do not submit to his interpretation of reality I will be sent to hell. Many are taken in by such coercive manipulation.
 
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Hi,
Basically, I reject any position which claims sole possession of the truth.
I am inspired and encouraged by the parables of the Hasidim. One speaks about God creating heaven and earth. All elements are combined to make all creatures and all things. All but truth and love. God realizes that there is not enough room to add both. There Is room for only one. So God adds love to creation. Then God takes truth and breaks it into many pieces. Each piece is tucked in small open spaces between all the other elements. The point of the story? Each has the ability to love without limit and none possesses the whole truth.

George
 

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I think people find their centre, their zen, their chi, their peace or their happiness through whatever works for them. And that's great. The concept that there is a God who needs you to believe in him "or else" is patently stupid and believed by stupid people who fall for the sort of fearmongering peddled by PG13 or unsafe. The idea that a being of unimaginable power and knowledge needs to be worshipped, immediately strips this being of all power and makes it pathetic and needy. The problem for Christians remains that this pathetic and needy God has biblical roots.

My grounding is not in imagination, but in explanation. I am incapable of simply leaving well enough alone and accepting something on authority or popularity, about anything. Especially when I can't make any sense of it myself. For that reason, I will never be a Christian. Even if everyone else was a believer, I could not bring myself to believe without evidence and an understanding. Even if everyone hated me for not believing. None of that matters to me.
 

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I am incapable of simply leaving well enough alone and accepting something on authority or popularity, about anything.
Unreserved agreement on this. Sounds a lot like something Socrates would say.

George
 

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I think people find their centre, their zen, their chi, their peace or their happiness through whatever works for them.
Me, too, but I'm also convinced that this is not entirely a personal thing. That humans are largely better off if they're immersed in a web of relationship, and that there are a lot of unnecessarily lonely people out there.
 

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Me, too, but I'm also convinced that this is not entirely a personal thing. That humans are largely better off if they're immersed in a web of relationship, and that there are a lot of unnecessarily lonely people out there.
If they're lonely and not happy, then I suggest loneliness is not working for them. Some people actually enjoy solitude. Some entire countries prefer it.

 

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Swedish partisans or Scottish? Could be Eric the Awful ... Dich for short!
 

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Finland. Luce not Sweden or Scotland. The order is Russia, Italy, France, Finland.
 
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Finland. Luce not Sweden or Scotland.
I figure he probably knows that. There will be an obscure reference there somehow and I was trying to figure out what it was, but I got nuthin.

What I've always loved about that meme was the phonetic spelling. "ObviØusly" is brilliant.
 

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Obvious is often hidden in the occult and obscure because truth ... is a pain! Thus continuous cover-up!

Be prepared for the wry side ... resembles jinn a'cide ... thus the essence evaporates like brute reins!
 
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