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Pavlos Maros

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Diminishing the character of a person is not equivalent to refuting that person’s argument.

“Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, typically refers to a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.” WIKIPEDIA
And what argument was that? What he did was claim he was not a christian. Calling someone on their lie/lies is not ad hom.
 

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Actually, pavlos, fairly respectfully, you have shown yourself more the moral inferior in these communications, than george, imho.

Given that it is absolutely impossible to claim "truth" in spiritual matters, ON EITHER SIDE, I'd have to proclaim him considerably more gracious than you.
I never looked to be gracious, respect is earned, not merely given. Being polite does not make a statement honest, it still remains a lie. And being polite in that instant is insincere.
 

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Though I'm not sure if I consider it a lie or just weak for George to abandon the term "Christian". The truly stupid and hateful Christians will love that.
 

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Frye cooks up a good case for temporarily separating the story from truth ... so we can have split divisions are divided cause for divinity! Split views allow depth perception ... thus all those funny holes on the page ...

The truth thus then hides on the page in abstract! Yes, that too is dark ...
 

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Though I'm not sure if I consider it a lie or just weak for George to abandon the term "Christian". The truly stupid and hateful Christians will love that.
I find George to be a character who simply can't be pigeonholed into a convenient or politically expedient enemy that matches your anti-christian narrative. He's like a jack-in-the box that no matter how hard you try to keep him in that box he just keeps popping back out of his own accord. Kind of like the Joker card: a bit wild and without religious definition, allegiance, or suit.

George abandoning the term 'Christian as a self identifier' is anything but weakness on his part.
 

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Always be beyond the box in reality ... the truth is too painful to authorities!

Seems to be a reciprocal function that operates in the mine ... a domain beyond us! It appears as a deep dark hole ...
 

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No, I don't make claims. Same way that I don't claim I'm not a dragon.
And Rita you are not helping his case with inane questions like that.
Word salad, George Word salad. ... And now you are saying you are not christian, That is extremely deceitful of you. Mark me. Your character has been duly tarnished.
Mark me? Why would I do that ... do you claim some authority on the character of George over my own 63 years of f-act-ual witness. George has stated his own case ...
Those who know me well are quite clear that I am resistant to the Christian religion. This because it substitutes belief for practice. Millions sit in mega-churches praising Jesus and living the lifestyle of consumers. This because, for them, life on earth does not matter. What matters is life after death. Something I deeply disagree with. Life on earth is the only thing that matters to me.

George
I am who I am becoming. Nothing more and nothing less.
... he does not need my 'help'.
 

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I find George to be a character who simply can't be pigeonholed into a convenient or politically expedient enemy that matches your anti-christian narrative. He's like a jack-in-the box that no matter how hard you try to keep him in that box he just keeps popping back out of his own accord. Kind of like the Joker card: a bit wild and without religious definition, allegiance, or suit.
So, like Rev. Vosper, then? A minister in the United Church of Canada who openly disbelieves? Except, that I'm aware, George doesn't disbelieve. His rejection of the term is not due to lack of faith, but as some sort of protest against the forces of Christianity. My point is you don't fight that by letting them have the term.
 

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George does not seem to me at all like Rev. Vosper. As far as I can tell George is a disbeliever in 'church for profit not prophet politics' ... but still believes in the 'imagination of a living Christ'. Gretta believes in 'church for profit not prophet politics' but does not believe in the 'imagination of a living Christ'.
 
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Ritafee said:
Pavlos Maros said:
No, I don't make claims. Same way that I don't claim I'm not a dragon. And Rita you are not helping his case with inane questions like that.
Pavlos Maros said:
Word salad, George Word salad. A couple of years ago I had a discussion with and found you to be insincere,( I was told you were of good character in a PM, so I kept it to myself.) However every time we've crossed paths since the insincerity has always been there. So no not over a few pages but over a long time. And now you are saying you are not christian, That is extremely deceitful of you. Mark me. Your character has been duly tarnished.
Mark me? Why would I do that ... do you claim some authority on the character of George over my own 63 years of f-act-ual witness. George has stated his own case ...
No. not in the least nor would I want authority over a insincere person. I'm just letting him know that for me his character is tarnished. Or was that too hard to comprehend.
Ritafee said:
GeoFee said:
Those who know me well are quite clear that I am resistant to the Christian religion. This because it substitutes belief for practice. Millions sit in mega-churches praising Jesus and living the lifestyle of consumers. This because, for them, life on earth does not matter. What matters is life after death. Something I deeply disagree with. Life on earth is the only thing that matters to me.
GeoFee said:
I am who I am becoming. Nothing more and nothing less.
he does not need my 'help'.
Then don't post inane question, because whether he wants it or not you are not doing him any favours.
 

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Many people prefer to use other descriptive words other than Christian to describe their faith..
Jesus follower, Christ follower, etc...
Sometimes using the word Christian becomes a blanket statement that seems to include certain dogmas and doctrines to other people, but are not actually a part of ones faith or beliefs.
Pavlos, perhaps you are one of the many that would compare someone with a more traditional understanding of what being a Christian means?
Even in Jesus' time there were many understandings of what had been taught.....so many that years later the church sought to seek unity by discarding some beliefs and forcing an homogeneous way to believe upon the people.
 

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No, I don't make claims.
What do you call these?
I run a business that requires critical rational thought.
I employ no people with religious/spiritual back grounds or affiliation.
I am interested in what makes them tick.
I know why they believe in magic.

Location: Bedfordshire, England.
Religious Identification: None
Religious Group: None
Gender Identification: Male
Occupation: Scientific research business owner
 

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Hi,
I don't make claims.
To make a claim is to “state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.”

You have claimed that I am a liar and that I am insincere, with no substantial evidence or proof. You seem to prefer dismissing perspectives not congruent with your belief, rather than engaging in rational dialogue seeking truth.

George
 

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Alternate names for those dealing with the far out ... Levi Teens!

Teens are the best at doing nothing with results ... adultery is less prone to generating results from a screw up ... as they've learned something!

There is a pious group that believes we should learn nothing in the light of what goes on in the darkness of sole! Hart sic Ness?
 

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This has gone a long way from talking about Arabian spirits, eh?

The question really is, to move this away from discussing George specifically, who chooses our labels, us or others? Ideally, we do. If George chooses not to use the label "Christian" himself, then that's his right. We may not agree, but we can't force him to use it.

However, others can also put labels on us, labels that are sometimes accurate, sometimes not. Those labels are based on how they perceive us.

The problem is when our self labelling disagrees with how others label us, at what point should our choice prevail. When do others' attempts to label us against our wishes move into the realm of disrespectful behaviour?
 

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I dunno. I've been chivvied on here for suggesting that chansen appears more Christian to me, based on his behaviour, than many a "Christian" I've known here and elsewhere. I self-identify as Christian, as much as anything to avoid confusing people who observe that I spend much of my spare time, energy and money in a building with a very large cross on its roof....
 

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As ghosts ... consider how a political activists will lower taxes and raise revenue!


Does this seem mystical as Trump's tax cuts to those that count in the upper levels of reality series?

Baffles the crap out of me ... but then I'm used to lies ... tis all laid out previously by those of the flat out variety! Consider the wasted (teles) tales! They are out there on the night eire as darker ...

But if strange things scare you ... how would you know? Fear disposes stability ...
 
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