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If we don't believe in a heaven or hell then we believe that when we die we just remains in the ground forever and go no where ----the worms have a feed ------This post is for people who do believe that there is a Heaven and God's Love will save them ------


There were 2 mass shootings in the US --Texas and Ohio ----one shooter gave himself up the other was killed by police -----

Killing another person is a Sin -----no different than any other Sin we commit -----the Bible does not say one Sin is greater than another and God loves all people the same ------according to scripture God does not favor one person over another -----

This is what scripture says about Sin ---------

1 John 3:4, KJV: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4, NASB: "Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4, NLT: "Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God."


Many say ------no God who is Love would ever send anyone to a place of torment -------

In your belief and in your opinion -------

Should this----- Killed Mass Shooter -----be admitted into God's Holy Kingdom because God Loves all people ----no need to have Faith in God or receive His Son or repent from our transgressions ------God's Love for all His Creation is enough for all to benefit in His free gift of Eternal Life ------
 
unsafe said:
If we don't believe in a heaven or hell then we believe that when we die we just remains in the ground forever and go no where ----the worms have a feed
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Reincarnation?
Resurrection on the Judgement Day?
Ghosts dwelling on the Astral Plane (under my rule :alien:)?

I mean, it doesn't affect your stricture that the question is for people who believe in heaven and Grace, but those are hardly the only two options.

And as I do not believe in Heaven, I shall leave things there.
 
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What fun would a heaven be where everyone there would think the same, act the same, believe the same and probably looks the same.Let the bad guy in so you have at least one other that you can feel superior of.
Just kidding. Do you really think that Heaven is a location?
What about you, unsafe, who you have given your life to Jesus. Since you are already saved,what would happen if you were to kill someone- would you still go to heaven?
 
I do think that Heaven is a location ---I believe in what the Bible says ----and it says that Heaven is a location and so is hell -----both are described very clearly in Scripture ------

As far as this smart remark you made goes ------what would happen if you were to kill someone- would you still go to heaven?

My smart answer is -----I wouldn't kill anybody ---Period ----and even if the though were to enter my head --- the Holy Spirit would convict my thought with a vengeance of even thinking such a thing --and that in and by itself would bring me to my knees to repent of this very --very ---bad--- stinking thinking ----and call on God's Grace to give me strength in my weakness of keeping my thoughts on God's Will not Satan's will ----and that would cause me to repent of my ---stinking thinking ----and get right back on track to living God's Way by remaining in His word and calling on His Great Grace for strength to do so -----


So do you believe Mrs.Anteater that the likes of this Mass Shooter ----Hitler and Stalin are in Heaven enjoying eating of the tree of life and having a great old time after all God loves everybody no matter what they have done -----or are they just in the ground still --what is left of them that the worms didn't eat --or are they Reincarnated as one has suggested as being an option -----lets hope not -----but that is suggested -----or are they going to be Resurrected on Judgment day as suggested -----lets hope not but that is suggested ------

what is your stance on this ?????????------I await your answer
 
I have a problem with the black and white either/or nature of this question. I will not answer as asked.

It's wonderful to feel so virtuous that you can say you would never kill another. Never say never is valid for most of us. I imagine the majority of people who have killed another had not planned for that outcome. I imagine many believe they would never kill another. Yet, there they are. I don't believe all who kill are inherently evil. For the record, I am not suggesting killing another should be consequence-free.

I have met many in my career who have done horrific things. Many have repented and have made significant changes in their lives. If there is such a thing as heaven, I believe that's where they will land. I learned a long time ago that it's not so much what the person has done than how they've responded to what they've done.
 
unsafe said:
I do think that Heaven is a location ---I believe in what the Bible says ----and it says that Heaven is a location and so is hell -----both are described very clearly in Scripture ------
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Can you cite some passages that show where they are and what they are like please?
 
unsafe said:
are they Reincarnated as one has suggested as being an option
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You misunderstand reincarnation. Most cultures that believe in it also believe in some form of karma, a natural force of justice in the universe. It's not a personal God judging people, just consequences that happen, like falling if you jump off a roof. So Hitler and Stalin would be reincarnated, but their actions will affect how. They might be reincarnated as some kind of oppressed people so that their future selves suffer as their victims did. They might even be reincarnated as animals or plants that are prey. Reincarnation doesn't mean there is no justice and, in some ways, is crueler than the Christian tradition in that is no room for Grace or salvation. Only by turning away from evil and trying to make up for what you did wrong might you be able to change your karma.
 
Of course, the upside to reincarnation and karma is that you get multiple chances to get it right. If you are Hitler in one life, a future incarnation might do something heroic to stop oppression, thereby releasing some of that bad karma. Probably would take a few generations, though.
 
Mendalla said:
You misunderstand reincarnation. Most cultures that believe in it also believe in some form of karma, a natural force of justice in the universe. It's not a personal God judging people, just consequences that happen, like falling if you jump off a roof. So Hitler and Stalin would be reincarnated, but their actions will affect how. They might be reincarnated as some kind of oppressed people so that their future selves suffer as their victims did. They might even be reincarnated as animals or plants that are prey. Reincarnation doesn't mean there is no justice and, in some ways, is crueler than the Christian tradition in that is no room for Grace or salvation. Only by turning away from evil and trying to make up for what you did wrong might you be able to change your karma.
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And you'd have to be "born again".:sneaky:
 
Waterfall ----your quote ----And you'd have to be "born again


That is what God says in His word -----but many disbelieve it -----and dismiss it ------Sad but true
 
unsafe said:
I do think that Heaven is a location ---I believe in what the Bible says ----and it says that Heaven is a location and so is hell -----both are described very clearly in Scripture ------

As far as this smart remark you made goes ------what would happen if you were to kill someone- would you still go to heaven?

My smart answer is -----I wouldn't kill anybody ---Period ----and even if the though were to enter my head --- the Holy Spirit would convict my thought with a vengeance of even thinking such a thing --and that in and by itself would bring me to my knees to repent of this very --very ---bad--- stinking thinking ----and call on God's Grace to give me strength in my weakness of keeping my thoughts on God's Will not Satan's will ----and that would cause me to repent of my ---stinking thinking ----and get right back on track to living God's Way by remaining in His word and calling on His Great Grace for strength to do so -----


So do you believe Mrs.Anteater that the likes of this Mass Shooter ----Hitler and Stalin are in Heaven enjoying eating of the tree of life and having a great old time after all God loves everybody no matter what they have done -----or are they just in the ground still --what is left of them that the worms didn't eat --or are they Reincarnated as one has suggested as being an option -----lets hope not -----but that is suggested -----or are they going to be Resurrected on Judgment day as suggested -----lets hope not but that is suggested ------

what is your stance on this ?????????------I await your answer
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I don’t believe that heaven is a location- and experience has shown that in general, people’sbodies are worm food
( unless you freeze or embalm them). Are you going to have your body frozen so you can be thawed to go to Heaven, unsafe?
There is no point to speculate what happens to whom after death, lets just wait and see.

Besides, killing someone is as easy as being distracted for two seconds while driving a car, or having had a drink or two much pain medication or a couple of sleepless nights before.
 
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killing someone is as easy as
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And there's also the real life dilemma: would you kill 1 to save 5? And it's not a question of "gasp, would I divert a train to hit one person, saving 5". It's a real life policy dilemma, that our votes are responsible to direct.

If we mandate vaccinations, a very small number of children may die from (fairly rare) side effects. If we mandate vaccinations, a much larger number of children will not die because of the fairly common lethal side effects of the disease they will not get.

So, yes, I think we should tend to choose life. But I think it's a lot more complex than you make it out to be.
 
unsafe said:
and get right back on track to living God's Way by remaining in His word
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Where is His Word?

As the story goes ... the 'scriptures' referring to the 'word of God' read to me like this ...

John is recorded as saying: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and with-out Him nothing was made that was made.”

Your interpretation of what John is recorded as saying seems to read more like this: “In the beginning was the bible, and the bible was with God, and the bible was God. The bible was in the beginning with God. All things were made through the bible, and without the bible nothing was made that was made.”

But then you also say that ...
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the Holy Spirit would convict my thought with a vengeance of even thinking such a thing --and that in and by itself would bring me to my knees to repent of this very --very ---bad--- stinking thinking ----
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Personally ... I think you should give more attention to the 'stinking thinking' interpretation as your 'go to source' from now on.

With regards to your OP ...

In my opinion ... in one word ... mercy.
 
BetteTheRed said:
And there's also the real life dilemma: would you kill 1 to save 5? And it's not a question of "gasp, would I divert a train to hit one person, saving 5". It's a real life policy dilemma, that our votes are responsible to direct.

If we mandate vaccinations, a very small number of children may die from (fairly rare) side effects. If we mandate vaccinations, a much larger number of children will not die because of the fairly common lethal side effects of the disease they will not get.

So, yes, I think we should tend to choose life. But I think it's a lot more complex than you make it out to be.
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That ethical dilemma (with the train - they used a street trolley) was played out on the sitcom, “The Good Place” on Netflix. Kind of a gory scene as the choices are played out. However, Ted Danson is hilarious as the demon middle-manager of the “community”, in a human body - whom a few of the characters are trying to teach to think and behave more like an empathetic human. He’s so good at playing a comedic Machiavellian a-hole who is naive to his sinister traits. It’s a weird but funny show.
 
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BetteTheRed said:
And there's also the real life dilemma: would you kill 1 to save 5? And it's not a question of "gasp, would I divert a train to hit one person, saving 5". It's a real life policy dilemma, that our votes are responsible to direct.

If we mandate vaccinations, a very small number of children may die from (fairly rare) side effects. If we mandate vaccinations, a much larger number of children will not die because of the fairly common lethal side effects of the disease they will not get.

So, yes, I think we should tend to choose life. But I think it's a lot more complex than you make it out to be.
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The real life policy dilemma: is now voting responsibly on whether or not to kill with legal immunity or without legal immunity then?
 
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