UMC decision regarding LGBT+ marriage and clergy

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Mendalla said:
If you're the only one seeing a problem in the discussion, then maybe the problem isn't the discussion.
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Maybe. Or maybe there is a problem that only you can see or are willing to identify.

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The divide that exists within the UMC won't heal. The results of the 2019 GC will lead to a split. This debate's two sides affirm different religions.

The key decision taken by the GC centered on its rejection of the middle option. Since the denomination doesn't hold a unified teaching on something as basic as sexual morality, it's no denomination at all.

It can't stand as one body, unified by its faith in Jesus, since 1/2 the denomination upholds orthodox sexuality while the other 1/2 joins the sexual revolution.
 
Mendalla said:
Which, really, is what happened in the UCCan GC in Victoria in 1988 as well. Things split differently, of course.
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From my understanding and memory one of the differences is what happened at the meeting. Going in to GC in 1988 it was far from cettain what the end result would be, though I think the smart money might have been on status quo (despite the fact that by then it was a discussion that had been happening for over a decade). But people listened to each other and hearts were "strangely warmed" and minds were changed --among GC commissioners at least -- with the result that the final vote was not as close as had been feared.

The real split came because most people in congregations had not been part of the conversations leading up to the MMHS report or its predecessors and so had not had time to consider the issue -- as shown by the fact that some of those congregations that were virulently against the 1988 decision have later called LGBT+ clergy.

THis issue of hearts being "strangely warmed" came up again in 1990 and 1992 when folk were sent to GC to "Fix that terrible mistake".

By contrast, it sounds like many of the folk attending last week's meeting arrived with minds made up and were not swerved from that original position. Which makes on wonder is there was opening for the SPirit to warm hearts in either direction.
 
Jae said:
It can't stand as one body, unified by its faith in Jesus, since 1/2 the denomination upholds orthodox sexuality while the other 1/2 joins the sexual revolution.
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I am reminded of the phrase "in essentials unity, in other things diversity". OF course the adage fails usually because the church has sidely different ideaas of what counts in each category.
 
Redbaron said:
Which, if the church runs true to form, like the slavery issue, will be corrected in 80 years' time, when this generations great-grandchildren belatedly realize that those before them chose to stand on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of faith, hope and love, and the wrong side of prejudice.
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My hunch is, the great grand children will justnot be in that church anymore. No more need to correct the course of the ship, when nobody is on board.
 
This GC's decision took both courage and strength. It sent a message that the UMC won't join the sexual revolution. The UMC's being liberal will change as this decision spreads within.

A denomination must decide which road to take. Novelty and worldliness have swept denominations and churches away.

The UMC made no compromises on sexual ethics. As such, part of the history made is a denomination that may return to its rich theological foundation.
 
The GC’s decision amounted to a turn for the UMC. It contradicted the world's wisdom, which demands that churches dance to the sexual revolution.

Long ago, many denominations surrendered their theology in cultural relevance's service. Those denominations, including the United Church of Canada, are now dying.

The denominations that are growing are those who have held to Scripture's teachings and admonishments.
 
Luce NDs said:
One way ... no return on the gift ... AD onus ... the myth of time before the Biblical seizure?
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No denomonation can move in two mutually opposed directions at once Luce. Theological faithfulness can't mix with cultural surrender. The UMC decided to stand upon the Bible's right to decide things.

History was made, and such a moment should give hope to all biblically-minded missionaries.
 
Jae said:
No denomonation can move in two mutually opposed directions at once Luce. Theological faithfulness can't mix with cultural surrender. The UMC decided to stand upon the Bible's right to decide things.

History was made, and such a moment should give hope to all biblically-minded missionaries.
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Ever hear of schism in the church .. when opposing chitz fly in duality like a two winger! Some brae 'ns and some heart required to cause essence of connection ... decent strings, tendons and other bonds than brutes ... going on a one-book mode when the Gospel of John suggests there is a sky full of them if there was appreciation for the abstract word!

Some demand that that is imaginary ... albeit creative in getting the Deus to calm down after the spluttering ...

Who really put two wings on angels? As enigma isn't it a deux 've a thing as parsed ... such is the word as metaphorical! Consider we only have 600,000 icons, syllables and words to represent the ultimate distances ... making allowances for doubling up ... or more in the case of Asian Triads ... Taos with legs into the paddy? God has no satires ...????

Self contained in the greater extent ... explicitly! That works to baffle the KISS'Eire ... after that twilight zones ...

If God can't draw on two strange items how would 12 be gathered ... except with a sectant mine ...
 
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If one was involved in deep science and alchemy (chemical relations) instead of ideology ... one might consider what large powers put into our food for hormones meant to make people eat things they shouldn't ... false sugars are a good example of things that screw up the limbic system ... of course I'm not to speak against better business protocol that may not follow ideal utopian thoughts that are good for the whole thing ... thus causing holes in the system ... paths of schism?
The perhaps thought could be disposed all together if we so desired ... it is a conflict!

Got to love mean and well mediated science ahead of blind idealism in nothing like love; when and where all is lost for the mysticality! It is a black shadowy place where a lot of pains were trashed ... sometimes redrawn unconsciously ...
 
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