TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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And...Bernie can and most likely will win. I think you're wrong about him.
I may well be wrong. But I still don't believe that Americans will elect a candidate pledged to single payer health care and free college tuition. Just not gonna happen in my opinion. And I seem to remember that you were going on about how Jagmeet Singh could become PM and maybe lead a coalition government just a few days before our election. How'd that work out?

Bloomberg is racist and he's buying his way to the top. No way to Bloomberg. He's another affront to democracy.
No doubt he has baggage. They all do. If Bernie actually gets to the point where he looks like he could win just wait for the skeletons to start coming out of the closet. None of them have completely clean hands, Kimmio. Not even Bernie.
 

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Not sure why but the software is cutting out this part of my post above, so I'll post it separately here.

Kimmio Laughterlove said:
It's interesting how the MSM is playing up Klobichar coming in third, Pete coming in second...and completely missing that Bernie is winning right now.
In terms of delegate count Buttigieg is actually winning right now, but so few delegates have been elected that it doesn't really matter. I checked real clear politics, and their recent polls of states holding primaries up to and including Super Tuesday seem to have either Biden or Bloomberg leading the Democratic race depending on the state.
 
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Bernie is the national front runner. Even the media is starting to accept it little by little. You should really watch Majority Report. They've been having Nomiki Konst on semi regularly. She knows all the scoop.


Bernie has the popular vote and Pete is ahead by one delegate. Pete will not do well with black voters. And Biden may be too far behind to catch up.
 
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"I'm now retired and so I don't preach any more; and when I did, I avoided politically biased sermons. But if I had to preach on the current U.S. scene, this would be my text:

"The Lord has sought out a man after God's own heart; and the Lord has appointed him to be a ruler over His people (1 Samuel 13:14)."

David was a murderer and adulterer, and yet, he is the only man in the Bible to be described as a man after God's own heart.

Trump's mother was the product of a Presbyterian Church at the center of the last spectacular spiritual awakening, the Hebrides Revival of 1949-1954. In that revival whole island populations were suddenly engulfed in a pervasive electrifying awareness of God's presence and prayer services after nightly church services would go on until 4 AM, and yet, people weren't even tired when they went to work the next day. Trump grew up attending Norman Vincent Peale's church in NYC. Yes, Trump was a black sheep, probably in the same sense as Elvis was, despite Elvis's love of the Gospel and penchant for forcing his entourage to sing old hymns with him after his Vegas concerts.

More importantly, Trump is the best president of all time in the sense of his support for conservative Christian values: e. g. his Supreme Court Justice appointments, his opposition to late-term abortion, and his policies in support of religious freedom, and prayer in public schools. Many Americans like me love the quirkiness of his unique passion to fulfill all his campaign promises (unlike past Dem. presidents), despite his appallingly paradoxical reckless distortions of the truth. His unvarnished, crude, and unpackaged presenting self is for so many a refreshing change from the standard oily, polite, careful, and ultimately dishonest images of past presidents. I have grown to love the guy, as have most people I know in my little city. I just wish he would cancel his Twitter account!
 

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Nope! Translation: Twitter works to Trump's political disadvantage. As Barr said today, Trump's Twittering makes it too hard to do his job with the perception of impartiality.
 

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Bernie is the national front runner. Even the media is starting to accept it little by little. You should really watch Majority Report. They've been having Nomiki Konst on semi regularly. She knows all the scoop.


Bernie has the popular vote and Pete is ahead by one delegate. Pete will not do well with black voters. And Biden may be too far behind to catch up.
Kimmio, all Biden has to do is win the South Carolina primary and the Nevada caucuses and (regardless of what the national Quinnipiac poll the article you posted cites) he'll suddenly have a lead in delegates because there weren't many delegates available in Iowa and New Hampshire and he'll be able to reclaim momentum. And Biden's ahead in polling in both states. Bernie's stalled at 25-30% support at best. The only way Bernie wins the nomination is if the Democrats do what the Republicans did in 2016 - fail to coalesce around an alternative. Trump shouldn't have won the Republican nomination in 2016 but all his opponents thought they'd be the one to beat him, no one would drop out, and little by little Trump won over a divided field. I'll agree that the Democrats might do the same thing and hand the nomination to Sanders by default, but I doubt it. The old guard Democrats (and I don't mean just the leadership but the local Democrats who've worked for Democratic candidates their whole lives) don't want him, because he's not even a Democrat. He's an Independent but in the weird world of American politics you don't actually have to be a Democrat to run for the Democratic nomination. I will say that Sanders vs Trump would be an interesting campaign, and I suspect it's the matchup that Trump wants.
 

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It's probably to late for any good outcome. Both Canadian and American governments refuse to tale action on climate change.
And now, it's probably to late to take it. Why are ruled, in reality, by the greed of the very wealthy. And it may well be too late to avoid where that will take us.

Back in 1945, we had to construct a new world. But we didn't do it. Instead, we allowed the greediest people of our population to, in effect, take control of political power - and us . That's why, in thirty years, we have made no progress in dealing with climate change. And it now seems unlikely that we will make progress in the next thirty. We have allowed the very wealthy and the very greedy to rule us. Instead of us governing by voting, we have allowed the very rich to take over. We may end by war or by corporate greed. But we have virtually no room for manouver.

And the greatest cause of what we have allowed to happen is the failure of Christian churches to see themselves as defenders of anything that could be called Christian values.
 
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Kimmio, all Biden has to do is win the South Carolina primary and the Nevada caucuses and (regardless of what the national Quinnipiac poll the article you posted cites) he'll suddenly have a lead in delegates because there weren't many delegates available in Iowa and New Hampshire and he'll be able to reclaim momentum. And Biden's ahead in polling in both states. Bernie's stalled at 25-30% support at best. The only way Bernie wins the nomination is if the Democrats do what the Republicans did in 2016 - fail to coalesce around an alternative. Trump shouldn't have won the Republican nomination in 2016 but all his opponents thought they'd be the one to beat him, no one would drop out, and little by little Trump won over a divided field. I'll agree that the Democrats might do the same thing and hand the nomination to Sanders by default, but I doubt it. The old guard Democrats (and I don't mean just the leadership but the local Democrats who've worked for Democratic candidates their whole lives) don't want him, because he's not even a Democrat. He's an Independent but in the weird world of American politics you don't actually have to be a Democrat to run for the Democratic nomination. I will say that Sanders vs Trump would be an interesting campaign, and I suspect it's the matchup that Trump wants.
Apparently Bernie's in the same boat as Trump 4 years ago.

According to this poll, anyway,
46% of Dem primary voters said they're less likely to vote for Biden, after his performances in Iowa and New Hampshire. Those two events seem to set first impressions that have a strong bearing on the rest of the primaries and caucuses. Because not a lot of mainstream voters follow politics "that" closely (unlike those who find it interesting and/ or really feel they have something at stake) - and what happens in those two states seems to stick in people's minds. And the top two out of that gate were Buttigeig and Sanders/ vice versa.

The primary race looks to be between them, unless the DNC screws Bernie out of his chances (there is more oversight this time - Bernie supporters are concerned that it doesn't happen and they have people in the loop that were not in the loop in 2016 - becoming engaged in what's going on and paying attention - because Bernie was a new "star". People, especially coming of age voters, didn't know him before. This time they are more savvy. And the college kids - especially the senior students - then, are a little bit more mature adults now).

My prediction?The media may try to boost Klobichar...or there may be an attempt to play down Sander's "socialism". I already heard Biden do just that (say he never said Bernie was a socialist) and say he'd fight like hell if Bernie's the nominee. Biden may be preparing, at least mentally, to drop out.) Bernie's not a socialist in the strict sense. He's a bit to the left of centre by the standards of other western democracies... If the media makes Klobichar out to be de-facto second place and brushes off Sanders, that might only split the vote between her and Buttigeig (or it may only embolden the voters who are paying attention, and are fed up with media influence, to vote for Bernie - the younger generation is engaged in politics online - a fact that older folks still haven't fully realized). I don't think either of Buttigeig or Klobichar have much support among black voters.

The progressive generational change is going to happen sooner or later. It was a little too soon for Canada this past election, but it's coming. Especially if the US does it first - and they may well do that this time.
 
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My only concern with Biden and Sanders is they are both old white guys. I'd really like to see some younger progressive blood in there.
 
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Pete's not very progressive. He happens to be gay but he's still right of centre, or centre neoliberal at best - neoliberal pretending to be progressive. He's slippery imo. I can see it in his eyes and hear it his robotic pat answers.

Joe is losing his mental sharpness. Bernie is not. Bernie also showed he can rebound from a health problem quickly.

Young progressives want Bernie to win.
 

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It's probably to late for any good outcome. Both Canadian and American governments refuse to tale action on climate change.
And now, it's probably to late to take it. Why are ruled, in reality, by the greed of the very wealthy. And it may well be too late to avoid where that will take us.

Back in 1945, we had to construct a new world. But we didn't do it. Instead, we allowed the greediest people of our population to, in effect, take control of political power - and us . That's why, in thirty years, we have made no progress in dealing with climate change. And it now seems unlikely that we will make progress in the next thirty. We have allowed the very wealthy and the very greedy to rule us. Instead of us governing by voting, we have allowed the very rich to take over. We may end by war or by corporate greed. But we have virtually no room for manouver.

And the greatest cause of what we have allowed to happen is the failure of Christian churches to see themselves as defenders of anything that could be called Christian values.
I have done all within my ability to question the integrity of Christianity. With the passage of time the United Church of Canada has refused any meaningful dialogue with me. Even so I will continue to bear witness to the corruption of Christianity and the passive conformity of its diverse constituencies. I do this as one called to the prophetic vocation by the spirit of God.
 

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I have pronounced the words given by the spirit of God from the outset of my experience in the WonderCafe. Here is an example saying just what I am saying in the present and what I will continue to say as time leads us into the future. This whether persons will hear me or not. It is a matter of obedience to what the spirit of God makes clear in my understanding.


Conspiracy Theory as Obfuscation
Posted on: 05/01/2014 21:02

Because conspiracy theorists are easily found out as false does not mean all is well. Power seeks opportunity for the increase of power. This takes form in history as an ever narrowing locus of control. Pharaoh in Egypt. Augustus in Rome. Somebody in our time.

Just now there are several somebodies at work, deploying all available means to guarantee outcomes advantageous for the increase of power.

Masses are easily manipulated by drawing on a well researched pattern of command/reward conditioning. Social construction shapes consumers where citizens are needed. Advertising as ritual luring the unaware into conformity with ideologies of greed and avarice.

An increasing percentage of the population is in debt to the structures of money at levels beyond their means. To continue in the enjoyment of consumption these will of necessity compromise principle in the critical moment. Either that or step out of systemic security and into profound personal vulnerability.

The middle ground is disappearing. Soon it will be only the wealthy and the poor. There will be no well fed, clothed and sheltered middle population. These will be found as expendable as the poor, in the day when mathematics trumps compassion.

History itself has carried us to the precipice. Our collective momentary priorities and commitments have sown the seeds of destruction. That seed is now come to maturity and is set for harvest.

Said to frighten? Not at all. The exact opposite. Said to warn and exhort to preparation. As Radar O'Reilly would have it: "Incoming wounded."
 

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Because conspiracy theorists are easily found out as false does not mean all is well.
Debunking conspiracy theorists is not about saying all is well. It is about focussing on real problems in the world and society rather than being distracted by nonsense.
 
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Debunking conspiracy theorists is not about saying all is well. It is about focussing on real problems in the world and society rather than being distracted by nonsense.
From my perspective our world is governed by nonsense. I see little evidence of good sense in play at all levels of governance. A primary example being our treatment of water and air, which are essential to the well being of humanity and all living creatures.
 

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From an article I wrote nearly twenty years ago:

“Science has taught us that everything has a cause; a reason. We are not simply the victims of circumstances which are beyond our control. We are beings endowed with free will and effective power to choose what shape our future will take. The things which are affecting human being in nature with strong negative force today are the result of decisions made yesterday. The things which will come tomorrow will largely be the result of decisions made today. Would it not be wise to look closely at the principles which govern human being and submit our desire to them?”
 

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From my perspective our world is governed by nonsense. I see little evidence of good sense in play at all levels of governance. A primary example being our treatment of water and air, which are essential to the well being of humanity and all living creatures.
Agreed. And these are also the kinds of real problems that conspiracy theories distract us from.
 
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