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Mendalla

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Is there a penalty if they don't pay the fine?
Not paying a fine usually carries a penalty of its own, including possible contempt charges, but it depends on the legislation involved.

For instance, in Ontario you can't renew your license if there are outstanding traffic act fines so you are forced to pay them when you try to renew. They can also, I believe, suspend your license.
 
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I remember somebody at a past workplace who had an embarrassing situation when she had a hold on her criminal record check for an unpaid traffic ticket...in BC.
 

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Germany has been easing the restriction. They have a good health system. Rules are still to keep a distance, have sanitizer available. The first cases are mow showing up. A Baptist congregation has 40 new cases after having a service despite social distancing. A restaurant owner had an opening ” test drive” evening resulting in seven new cases, including him, and consequently 50 contact people now having to go in quarantine.
German officials say this was to be expected.
The curve is not really flattening in some areas, but they are going ahead with more opening, probably for economic and political reasons. Lots of demonstrations in Berlin every weekend.
The news today said that the church service had 100 attenders who kept social distance. Unfortunately, there is no rule that churches have to keep a list of attenders so they can be traced. But 40 out of 100 seemed to me a significant number. I wonder if they were singing. And I imagine there must have been more than one positive person in the crowd.
 

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The news today said that the church service had 100 attenders who kept social distance. Unfortunately, there is no rule that churches have to keep a list of attenders so they can be traced. But 40 out of 100 seemed to me a significant number. I wonder if they were singing. And I imagine there must have been more than one positive person in the crowd.
However, it was just one person visiting several night clubs who infected 100 in South Korea....
 

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Is there a penalty if they don't pay the fine?
I don't know. I would presume there is. If they go to the effort to fine someone they will likely go to the effort to impose other consequences.
 
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This is something that's been bothering me. More plastic. Plastic bags are back as we're still not allowed to use reusable shopping bags. I ask for paper if I can but sometimes they're just busy and don't ask and I forget to. No more travel mug refills. Paper cups with plastic lids. More disposable non biodegradable wipes instead of reusing cloths that might harbour germs - that didn't worry me before. And buying what's available - because the employees only put a few in demand things out at a time regardless of make or packaging - even if the packaging is too much plastic. Most of the proper germ killing products we are told to use are not environmentally friendly and they tend to use more non biodegradable plastic packaging vs the natural stuff that comes in glass, cardboard, tins, biodegradable pouch packs, etc. And/ or they're made by multinational companies. More take out food from those supporting restaurants, rather than dine-in dishware - more 1 person to a car. More disposable gloves and non recyclable or compostable masks. All those things have been bugging me.

 
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This is something that's been bothering me. More plastic. Plastic bags are back as we're still not allowed to use reusable shopping bags. I ask for paper if I can but sometimes they're just busy and don't ask and I forget to. No more travel mug refills. Paper cups with plastic lids. More disposable non biodegradable wipes instead of reusing cloths that might harbour germs - that didn't worry me before. And buying what's available - because the employees only put a few in demand things out at a time regardless of make or packaging - even if the packaging is too much plastic. Most of the proper germ killing products we are told to use are not environmentally friendly and they tend to use more non biodegradable plastic packaging vs the natural stuff that comes in glass, cardboard, tins, biodegradable pouch packs, etc. And/ or they're made by multinational companies. More take out food from those supporting restaurants, rather than dine-in dishware - more 1 person to a car. More disposable gloves and non recyclable or compostable masks. All those things have been bugging me.

Yes, and all the rubber gloves and one mask per day per person in the hospital. I have been keeping the masks if they weren’t too wet, thinking that germs will die in a couple of days and there will be another wave- thinking we will be asked to wear masks in public.
 

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Newest US studies showed that taking HYdroxychloroquin as treatment for Covid increases the chances of death by 46%. I am suspicious that Trump’s prescribing physician is either secretly a Democrat or a ( russian?) spy.
 

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Newest US studies showed that taking HYdroxychloroquin as treatment for Covid increases the chances of death by 46%. I am suspicious that Trump’s prescribing physician is either secretly a Democrat or a ( russian?) spy.
Or he's not really taking it.
 

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Whatever is happening, he's a dumbass for saying he is taking the drug. Pandering to his base though may not be so dumb..... :unsure:

But I digress.....
 
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The environmental concerns are mounting. Environmental issues are related to the emergence of more viruses. At some point this covid bubble has to break and we have to move on. All - nearly all - of the outbreaks have been in nursing homes and the median age of death is in the 70s or 80s. My mom always said to me that the world was not going to stop for me because I have a disability... But the world has stopped for this age demographic. It changed staggeringly quickly, and financial help was suddenly there, so we know it can change in other ways. When there is low risk to the community at large, it has to open up. Young people need to get on with living and inheriting this (messed up) world and addressing other pressing concerns.

I'm of two minds - I want us to stay safe, don't want lives at risk - but at some point I agree that we need to take risks. Depending on where one lives. Careful risks, not excessive risks.
 
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All - nearly all - of the outbreaks have been in nursing homes and the median age of death is in the 70s or 80s.
That may change after this weekend in the US. Lots of people, mostly young people, crowded on beaches and parks.

I'm of two minds - I want us to stay safe - but at some point I agree that we need to take risks. Depending on where one lives. Careful risks, not excessive risks.
I agree. We can absolutely take careful risks. I think BC has done a good job of making that possible.
 

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This is something that's been bothering me. More plastic. Plastic bags are back as we're still not allowed to use reusable shopping bags. I ask for paper if I can but sometimes they're just busy and don't ask and I forget to. No more travel mug refills. Paper cups with plastic lids. More disposable non biodegradable wipes instead of reusing cloths that might harbour germs - that didn't worry me before. And buying what's available - because the employees only put a few in demand things out at a time regardless of make or packaging - even if the packaging is too much plastic. Most of the proper germ killing products we are told to use are not environmentally friendly and they tend to use more non biodegradable plastic packaging vs the natural stuff that comes in glass, cardboard, tins, biodegradable pouch packs, etc. And/ or they're made by multinational companies. More take out food from those supporting restaurants, rather than dine-in dishware - more 1 person to a car. More disposable gloves and non recyclable or compostable masks. All those things have been bugging me.

That all crossed my mind too. Medical waste is huge. So many disposables.
 

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The “ Traffic light” measurement in Berlin Germany.
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The first factor is the reproduction number - how many others one corona positive person infects.This just went above the tolerated number since they have started to open up businesses and hair dressers and similar about two weeks ago. The second” light” is the number of new cases within a week. The third means the availability of intensive care unit beds. Berlin has lots of those.
If two of the lights are on” yellow”, Berlin’s government will discuss potential measurements. If two of those are on red, measurements will be either delay of lifting certain restrictions or introducing of new measures. Seems pretty smart to me.
 
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The median age is actually 50.
And for BC between 44 and 53
I am surprised, kimmio, usually YOU are the one pointing out ageism in other people’s comments.
The age of deaths is older. That's what we need to worry most about, is people dying. And if that's happening at nursing homes something needs to change there, not everywhere indefinitely.

It wasn't considered ableism by many to say that people with disabilities should have MAID for non fatal conditions and because changing ones lifestyle for a disability and to require help is an "undignified" form of suffering. And it wasn't ableism in many people's minds to expect us to "fit in" to the neoliberal business model at the expense of our own health - with the bare minimum accommodations required that can't be easily enforced. I'm pointing out a double standard from the boomers, that's all. They wouldn't stop production and make sudden changes they deem too drastic for the environment, for children and grandchildren...but the world really did stop for a particular demographic. It didn't stop for essential workers and poorer people who can't isolate.
 
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