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"The reason involves another part of the problem. Clinical trials are principally run by drug and medical device companies in order to obtain regulatory approvals, with public health authorities only picking up the slack in rare examples."
 
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Which could conceivably work in favour of Chinese researchers. There won't be any real competition there. The government's goal will be to get a vaccine as quickly as possible and if there's a likely domestic candidate, all resources will go to it.

Of course, the capitalist argument is that the competition will spur innovation. Which would be valid in some configurations of capitalism. The problem right now in modern North American capitalism is that it is equally likely to lead to cutting corners to try to get an "edge" on the competition.
 
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Which could conceivably work in favour of Chinese researchers. There won't be any real competition there. The government's goal will be to get a vaccine as quickly as possible and if there's a likely domestic candidate, all resources will go to it.

Of course, the capitalist argument is that the competition will spur innovation. Which would be valid in some configurations of capitalism. The problem right now in modern North American capitalism is that it is equally likely to lead to cutting corners to try to get an "edge" on the competition.
The fact that people are dying in large numbers should be enough to spur innovation, not money.
 
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On another note. The mall food court was open (not just Tim's). It was not busy at all. There were people sitting there. A few people sharing a few tables, spaced apart. Mostly 70-80 yr olds. I didn't feel like eating in, oddly enough.
 

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The fact that people are dying in large numbers should be enough to spur innovation, not money.
Sadly, the days of altruistic innovation seem to be behind us. One would wish otherwise, but that's not current reality.

To be fair, part of the problem is the cost of doing the research and ramping up production. If governments would pay those bills in return for the right to produce the drug when and where they need to (ie. a blanket license), then maybe that would be enough and we could get it done at cost.
 

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This article seems odd to me. The fecal connection isn't new I think it was from China that was found a while ago. Further replication on results is a good thing though. Knowing if this is something that is transmitted fecal to oral is useful. The toilet paper suggestion though - I have never heard of a fecal to urogenital/rectal transmission via toilet paper (besides wiping the wrong way and at that point I don't think of that toilet paper being involved). Skip on the toilet paper for blowing the nose or something... sure I get that. But separate toilet paper rolls for sick people is a new one to me.
 

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This article seems odd to me. The fecal connection isn't new I think it was from China that was found a while ago. Further replication on results is a good thing though. Knowing if this is something that is transmitted fecal to oral is useful. The toilet paper suggestion though - I have never heard of a fecal to urogenital/rectal transmission via toilet paper (besides wiping the wrong way and at that point I don't think of that toilet paper being involved). Skip on the toilet paper for blowing the nose or something... sure I get that. But separate toilet paper rolls for sick people is a new one to me.
I should throw out I don't know how credible this site is it'snot one I'm familiar with. Much of the information seems right though I shared it as the toilet roll suggestion stood out as odd. I've never even heard that be suggested for the GI viruses that are easily spread that way.
 

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Makes you wonder what people are doing to the toilet paper



though. Might it be possible that flushing the toilet with the lid up aerosoluses the virus which then lands on the paper?
 

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They mention the lid up flushing issue. But I think it could be an issue caring for bed ridden elderly. Everyone so worried about coughing and sneezing but not too worried about emptying bed pans or changing soiled linen?
 

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Makes you wonder what people are doing to the toilet paper



though. Might it be possible that flushing the toilet with the lid up aerosoluses the virus which then lands on the paper?
That's the general argument that I have heard for flushing with the lid down. Basically, the crap gets aerosolized when you flush, so could contaminate things that are close by like the TP.
 

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Yeah, I assume that's what the reasoning was in the article. I would think toothbrushes in the bathroom would be a bigger concern.
 

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Yeah, I assume that's what the reasoning was in the article. I would think toothbrushes in the bathroom would be a bigger concern.
I guess the ideal would be the bathrooms you sometimes get in hotels and resorts where the toilet and sinks are separated. The place we stayed in Montego Bay had the toilet in a stall with its own door similar to a stall in a public bathroom.
 
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That's the general argument that I have heard for flushing with the lid down. Basically, the crap gets aerosolized when you flush, so could contaminate things that are close by like the TP.
Ugh, gross. :sick: An old coworker told me about that. Public toilets should have lids, then. Because the stalls are still open at the top and bottom. The air still circulates into the rest of the room (into the rest of the restroom:unsure: lol).

A couple of weeks ago, I actually bought a new toothbrush, just a regular one, that has a plastic cap for the bristles.
 

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I guess the ideal would be the bathrooms you sometimes get in hotels and resorts where the toilet and sinks are separated. The place we stayed in Montego Bay had the toilet in a stall with its own door similar to a stall in a public bathroom.
I did some houses with ensuites that had the toilet closed off, some with a pocket door, some not. I do like the idea, even just in terms of using the toilet in the ensuite while the other is also in there in the bath/shower/at the sink.
Our ensuite is better than many bathrooms, there's a half-wall beside the toilet, but it's still pretty open.
 

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I did some houses with ensuites that had the toilet closed off, some with a pocket door, some not. I do like the idea, even just in terms of using the toilet in the ensuite while the other is also in there in the bath/shower/at the sink.
Our ensuite is better than many bathrooms, there's a half-wall beside the toilet, but it's still pretty open.
If I had it all to do over, I would rearrange the en suite bathroom. Toilet is too close to the sink with no separation of any kind. Whereas the main bath, which is Little M's when he's home, has the toilet well away from the sink. No barrier, but enough distance that it should be less of a problem.
 
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