No Santa? No Kids.

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Assuming that that is the whole story here, it is quite a ridiculous over-reach on the part of the CAS. I can't see that not teaching the kids about Santa and the Easter Bunny is harming them in any way, esp. since they didn't actually do the opposite and tell them they weren't real. Does this mean families from cultures that don't even celebrate those holidays can't be fosters?

Now, there may have been other grounds, but none of the media sources that I've seen discuss the CAS entering any so it is hard to tell. You would think that if they had some better grounds for the removal, they would get those out in court ASAP to help stop the PR and legal damage this case is doing to them.
 

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I'm a bit surprised the provinces actually have their crap together enough where they are barred from fostering here.
 

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Assuming that that is the whole story here, it is quite a ridiculous over-reach on the part of the CAS. I can't see that not teaching the kids about Santa and the Easter Bunny is harming them in any way, esp. since they didn't actually do the opposite and tell them they weren't real. Does this mean families from cultures that don't even celebrate those holidays can't be fosters?

Now, there may have been other grounds, but none of the media sources that I've seen discuss the CAS entering any so it is hard to tell. You would think that if they had some better grounds for the removal, they would get those out in court ASAP to help stop the PR and legal damage this case is doing to them.

One has to work their way through the myths for the dark and buried gold ... NOSH-ite and chew carefully ...
 

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Tis in a fostered fecundity ... the mind being a myth what does it receive at Christmas? Only stinking nonmaterial!
 

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I'm a bit surprised the provinces actually have their crap together enough where they are barred from fostering here.
Do you think they should be banned because they won't tell kids SC and EB are real?
 

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Do you think they should be banned because they won't tell kids SC and EB are real?
No. I know someone who was turned down from being a foster parent for much less though. She was able to do it years later at least.

Fostering is something that should be temporary, and I do think respecting of beliefs is really important and ideal would be having a decent match. The worker went overboard on enforcing that.
 

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No. I know someone who was turned down from being a foster parent for much less though. She was able to do it years later at least.

Fostering is something that should be temporary, and I do think respecting of beliefs is really important and ideal would be having a decent match. The worker went overboard on enforcing that.
Yes, I agree, a close match is best. What about for little babies though?
 

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To me, this is outrageous. Good foster parents had their kids taken away from them because they don't believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. No joke.

MANDEL: Santa Claus, Easter Bunny tear foster family apart
The children were aged three and four from the article that you cited. So did they believe in Santa before they were told Santa didn't exist? How were they told about his non-existence? I think these questions need to be answered first before we get the full story. If it were Atheists who were the foster parents and they told the kids who were raised to believe in God that there was no God, and lost there kids for doing so, I bet you wouldn't have raised an eye brow.
 

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The children were aged three and four from the article that you cited. So did they believe in Santa before they were told Santa didn't exist? How were they told about his non-existence? I think these questions need to be answered first before we get the full story. If it were Atheists who were the foster parents and they told the kids who were raised to believe in God that there was no God, and lost there kids for doing so, I bet you wouldn't have raised an eye brow.
These foster parents told their foster kids the truth - there is no Santa Claus. There is no Easter Bunny.

Atheist foster parents who tell their foster kids that there is no God are telling them an untruth.

I see a big difference.
 

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These foster parents told their foster kids the truth - there is no Santa Claus. There is no Easter Bunny.

Atheist foster parents who tell their foster kids that there is no God are telling them an untruth.

I see a big difference.
Thank you for being honest
 
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As usual, I suspect there is far more to this story than has been presented. I imagine it is likely more about imposition of beliefs of the foster family upon their foster children, which I imagine would be contrary to standards. Tha case (initiated by the foster parents) went before the supreme court of ontario - is there a judgment yet?
 

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Well I hope they call the judge and the social worker up in a few years to deliver the message, "Just kidding".
 

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As usual, I suspect there is far more to this story than has been presented. I imagine it is likely more about imposition of beliefs of the foster family upon their foster children, which I imagine would be contrary to standards. Tha case (initiated by the foster parents) went before the supreme court of ontario - is there a judgment yet?
I don't think there's anything wrong with parents teaching their kids their beliefs. I guess that goes for foster parents and their foster kids too. I expect Christian parents to be sharing God's word with their kids and bringing them to church to participate in the sacraments.
 

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To me, this is outrageous. Good foster parents had their kids taken away from them because they don't believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. No joke.

MANDEL: Santa Claus, Easter Bunny tear foster family apart
That is not the situation

They are caring for some other people's children.

They said they would not lie about santa or the Easter bunny.

Their job is not to change the children's belief

If a child comes to them with reasonable cultural activities, belief, as foster parents their job is to respect and care

I would take them away as well

Just as I would if they were caring for children who are from Jewish, Islamic, or Roman Catholic and tried to convert them
 

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That is not the situation

They are caring for some other people's children.

They said they would not lie about santa or the Easter bunny.

Their job is not to change the children's belief

If a child comes to them with reasonable cultural activities, belief, as foster parents their job is to respect and care

I would take them away as well

Just as I would if they were caring for children who are from Jewish, Islamic, or Roman Catholic and tried to convert them
Pinga, I can't recall the article I linked to saying anything about the foster parents trying to convert their foster kids - unless you want to count converting them away from believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

When you mention, "reasonable cultural activities," exactly who is to determine what is "reasonable?" Seems the judge in this case believed it reasonable that the kids continue to believe that a jolly fat man from the North Pole, and an oversized rodent, will bring them gifts.
 

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In this case, the judge felt the children staying with these foster adults not in these children's best interest.
 

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In this case, the judge felt the children staying with these foster adults not in these children's best interest.
Yes, because they were teaching that the mythical Santa Claus and the mythical Easter Bunny are myths.
 

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Jae,if someone wishes to impose their belief on children, then you need to have or adopt.

I think you missed the role of a foster parent.
 

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Jae,if someone wishes to impose their belief on children, then you need to have or adopt.

I think you missed the role of a foster parent.
I think you missed the words in the article. It does not say that the foster parents in question tried to convert their foster children Pinga.
 
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