MAID Concerns - How Will Our Politicians Respond?

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Honestly, I am having concerns regarding mental health as a reason for MAID. I never worked in MH, so only met patients with MH problems on regular inpatient units. I tend to think that mental health reasons are “ fixable” if you have a community that carries you and medication and a positive living environment.
But- observing people struggling with mental health- who am I to say? The suggestion to have a Psychiatrist involved in the process as mandatory could help out. With regards to that CBC article- I have never met anyone with Fibromyalgia so severe (at 29 ) that one does not want to live. Since pain does have a connection to mental health, I wonder if this is a combination. I also wonder which physician would want to do MAID on cases like that.
The people I see struggling the most with mental health also happen to be homeless and in dire poverty. Maslow, people.
 
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If someone came to me and said "I've had 45 years of intractable emotional pain. Nothing that has ever been tried, from every drug therapy, to talk therapy, to electroshock, has ever worked. I've had it. I want out.", I just can't imagine saying, "well, maybe something will be invented in the next decade; in the meantime, I have the right to demand you live".
I can't imagine being the doctor who'd do it.
 
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The law demands competence. Your slippery slope implies that people have no right to say "no, don't kill me", and I just don't see that in the demand for competence.
Do you not see the factor of "I have no help, no support so I either die the long way or the short way"... Is a major factor and a problem?
 
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Honestly, I am having concerns regarding mental health as a reason for MAID. I never worked in MH, so only met patients with MH problems on regular inpatient units. I tend to think that mental health reasons are “ fixable” if you have a community that carries you and medication and a positive living environment.
But- observing people struggling with mental health- who am I to say? The suggestion to have a Psychiatrist involved in the process as mandatory could help out. With regards to that CBC article- I have never met anyone with Fibromyalgia so severe (at 29 ) that one does not want to live. Since pain does have a connection to mental health, I wonder if this is a combination. I also wonder which physician would want to do MAID on cases like that.
I'd agree except mental health conditions themselves cause suicidal ideation, as do circumstances people end up in because they can't manage life without support. It's a bit of a feedback loop. For that reason I think the approach to mental health has to go beyond psychiatry and psychiatrists shouldn't necessarily have the last word. Anyone working with someone who has a mental illness (and disability) has to break apart that loop and look at it from both medical and non medical angles. If they kill someone without doing that, they have been derelict in their duty of care. And I don't see what's there to prevent that.
 
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Do you not see the factor of "I have no help, no support so I either die the long way or the short way"... Is a major factor and a problem?
I see it loud and clear.

To afford to 'legally' stay you either find the way to pay to play ... or you may end up calling it a day.

But hey ... it's your choice ... I heard them assuredly say !
 
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To think...4-5 years ago people insisted this was not a slippery slope, yet it's been slipping downhill since it passed...ever-expanding in scope, allowing for more people to be killed by doctors, instead of protecting the vulnerable. And, of course, nobody has been putting nearly as much energy into advocating for preserving and advancing options for living with disability and chronic illness. "What a surprise!", said no one who was paying attention.
 
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Tell me what f***ing 'nuance' is there for a mentally or physically disabled person on the margins with no regular doctor, no money, no permanent address and no strong social support and then maybe I can respect your "never black and white" opinion.
 

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The sad thing is that as usual, we're not as far apart as you suggest. I'm not interested in continuing. Last word is yours.
 
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Alright...what actual protection exists for the person in the above situation, that is assured, before we even begin to weigh all the "nuances" of those who are not so vulnerable?

By not making that the first priority, before barrelling ahead with the legislation, and expanding the criteria, people are already deeming those lives less valuable.
 
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I dare say...there are increasingly more people who are vulnerable to abuse than there are those who have the time to think about the "nuances" of whether or not they want to live with a chronic illness or disability that represents loss of social status in an ableist society.

But the wealthy dying lobby barrelled ahead with minimal protections for the vulnerable and wants to erode them even more.

What is in place to ensure they don't fall through the cracks - what is in place to hold health professionals accountable (beyond the theoretical) before they make "mistakes" with the vulnerable who become accounting statistics, and why was that not considered, and solidly locked down in the legislation, first? It wasn't. It just wasn't, despite the rhetoric. There is no solid protection for the vulnerable and no way to prevent grievous abuse. Because whoever insisted on pushing this through and continuing to expand it, doesn't value certain lives already.
 
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Not long ago the majority of doctors were against it. Once this passed they got forced into performing the "procedure" to keep their jobs, and I feel sorry for the ones who never wanted or expected to go near this "issue". I imagine it keeps some awake many nights which can't be good for anybody. And no, it's not the same as abortion. Adult humans with decades of life and experiences in this world are not the same as undeveloped fetuses who've never seen it.
 
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Not long ago the majority of doctors were against it. Once this passed they got forced into performing the "procedure" to keep their jobs, and I feel sorry for the ones who never wanted or expected to go near this "issue". I imagine it keeps some awake many nights which can't be good for anybody. And no, it's not the same as abortion. Adult humans with decades of life and experiences in this world are not the same as undeveloped fetuses who've never seen it.
Sorry, not forced but pressured either to do it or find someone who will.
 
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Finally, finally, they mentioned this:


"By offering medical assistance in dying to persons with disabilities on the basis of disability, Canada would be further violating international law. If every Canadian who suffers cannot access a medically assisted death, and yet a Canadian who suffers and has a degenerative disability can, it is precisely their disability status that sets them apart."

And:

  • Without the end-of-life criterion in place, Canada’s medical assistance in dying legislation will further violate article 10 of the United Nations’ Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD).

Finally. I have written about it in every correspondence I have had on this issue in the past 5 years, including with several advocates. Nobody here at WC2 understood it, but I am relieved I am not the only one who does.

These are the organizations opposed to the most recent Quebec decision:

  1. Council of Canadians with Disabilities
  2. Canadian Association for Community Living
  3. ARCH Disability Law Centre
  4. People First of Canada
  5. Canadian Mental Health Association
  6. Canadian Disability Studies Association / Association candienne d’études sur le handicap
  7. Institute for Research and Development on Inclusion and Society
  8. L’Arche Canada
  9. Canadian Institute for Inclusion and Citizenship
  10. The DisAbled Women’s Network of Canada / Réseau d’Action des Femmes Handicapées du Canada (DAWN-RAFH Canada)
  11. Barrier free Canada – Canada sans Barrières
  12. Toujours Vivant-Not Dead Yet
  13. Communication Disabilities Access Canada
  14. Canadian Society of Palliative Care Physicians
  15. Société québécoise de la déficience intellectuelle / Quebec Intellectual Disability Society
  16. NWT Council for Disability
  17. Independent Living Centre London and Area
  18. British Columbia Aboriginal Network on Disability Society
  19. Inclusion Selkirk
  20. National Network for Mental Health
  21. Families for a Secure Future
  22. Citizens With Disabilities – Ontario
  23. Nova Scotia League for Equal Opportunities
  24. Collectif des médecins contre l’euthanasie / Physicians’ Alliance against Euthanasia
  25. Coalition of Persons with Disabilities Newfoundland and Labrador
  26. Interdisciplinary Master’s Program – Disability Studies, University of Manitoba
  27. Nova Scotia Association for Community Living
  28. Fredericton Association for Community Living
  29. Disability Alliance BC
  30. Inclusion BC
  31. Resila INC
  32. Ontario Federation for Cerebral Palsy
  33. Euthanasia Prevention Coalition
  34. Community Inclusion Society
  35. Association for Reformed Political Action
  36. Bridges to Belonging Waterloo Region, Ontario
  37. Body BRave
  38. Community Living Victoria
  39. Community Ventures Society
  40. Inclusion Alberta
  41. Bethesda
  42. Disability Rights Coalition of Nova Scotia
  43. Living with Dignity / Vivre dans la Dignité
  44. Community Living Ontario
  45. The Manitoba League of Persons with Disabilities Inc.
  46. Burnaby Association for Community Inclusion
  47. Christian Medical and Dental Association of Canada
  48. Prince Edward Island Association for Community Living
  49. posAbilities Association
  50. New Brunswick Association for Community Living
  51. Inclusion Saskatchewan
  52. Inclusion Winnipeg
  53. Community Living Manitoba
  54. Canadian Physicians for Life
  55. Keremeos Measuring Up Team (British Columbia)
  56. Disability Studies Program, Kings University College at Western University
  57. Alliance for Equality of Blind Canadians (Toronto Chapter)
  58. Canadian Federation of Catholic Physicians and Societies
  59. PLAN
  60. PLAN Edmonton
  61. PLAN Calgary
  62. PLAN Okanagan
  63. Bridges to Belonging (Waterloo)
  64. Christian Legal Fellowship / Alliance des chrétiens en droit
  65. Newfoundland and Labrador Association for Community Living
  66. Inclusion Yukon
  67. Autistics United Canada
  68. Law, Disability, & Social Change Project
  69. Coop ASSIST – Quebec Cooperative for Independent Living
  70. Autistics For Autistics, National Group
  71. School of Disability Studies, Ryerson University
  72. Concerned Ontario Doctors
 
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