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MAID Concerns - How Will Our Politicians Respond?

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This was written in 1996, published in the University of Richmond Law Review, and calls the legalization of physician assisted suicide in states in the US and elsewhere, “regulatory Potemkin villages”. That’s what I think is here, now.

 

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Honestly, Kimmio, you don’t need to lecture me on German history. I think I have absorbed a lot more of it and its psychological background. Experiments have shown again and again, that there is only a small percentage of people who will refuse orders if it comes to totalitarian systems. As I said, if it comes to a totalitarian regime, things can happen in a heart beat, no matter if it is legalized or not. And it does in this world on an ongoing basis, just ask Amnesty. Why that should prevent someone from having a peaceful planned death in the circle of his loved ones instead of a traumatic one beats me, but I think we will just have to agree to disagree.
The art of palliative medicine is to accompany people through their last tough times, which involves reducing treatments, or increasing pain medications and communication with th patient and possibly the family- as well as creating a gentle way out.
 
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Honestly, Kimmio, you don’t need to lecture me on German history. I think I have absorbed a lot more of it and its psychological background. Experiments have shown again and again, that there is only a small percentage of people who will refuse orders if it comes to totalitarian systems. As I said, if it comes to a totalitarian regime, things can happen in a heart beat, no matter if it is legalized or not. And it does in this world on an ongoing basis, just ask Amnesty. Why that should prevent someone from having a peaceful planned death in the circle of his loved ones instead of a traumatic one beats me, but I think we will just have to agree to disagree.
The art of palliative medicine is to accompany people through their last tough times, which involves reducing treatments, or increasing pain medications and communication with th patient and possibly the family- as well as creating a gentle way out.
Why are you buying into the fallacy that the doctors job is to provide that to a patient? Why are you under the illusion that the law only applies to palliative care patients? Have you read how permissive it is...and when held up against the totality of a person’s life, takes so little effort and care to safeguard that life? There is no agreeing to disagree here. I will not just agree to disagree!

I know you come from Germany. Having seen and read what I have about the Nazi t4 program I am shocked that anyone from anywhere cannot see the parallels from the 30’s coming into view in today’s world...including the movement for “assisted death”. Just the euphemisms around “compassionate”, and “dignified”, and the rigorous medical staff re-education campaigns should make the hair on the backs of necks stand up. Why on earth isn’t it? It’s because lobbyist forces have been working on your “buy-in” for years, as they have governments’.


They don’t happen in a heart beat. These forces and their systems - like the neo nazi rise through the internet that is now a real life growing problem - the manipulate existing systems of law to their advantage to do away with protections offered by such laws - they creep up from behind until it appears like it’s a heartbeat to those who are looking the other way while they creep up. And they do not look exactly the same each time they arise, but some parallels and similar patterns can be seen with all fascist movements in history.


So, are you saying, “These things happen when they happen and there’s no point resisting or trying to stop it when one witnesses some of the same propaganda and tactics are being used?” Because I do not subscribe to that.








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@Kimmeo, what if it is the patient that is actively seeking death, not the government? Isn't that a more likely scenario at this time? Who gets to decide to take away their rights if it should swing the other way, especially since there have been many fighting to make this legal?
 
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@Kimmeo, what if it is the patient that is actively seeking death, not the government? Isn't that a more likely scenario at this time? Who gets to decide to take away their rights if it should swing the other way, especially since there have been many fighting to make this legal?
I don’t think the “many” who fought to make it legal are as many as those who were dismissed or never heard re not making it legal...considering how much poverty prevents us from getting the really good lawyers. They just had more expensive and unscrupulous lawyers who didn’t care how many they put at risk by making the “option” available (and trying to broaden it to more people. And a public misinformation/ disinformation campaign to appeal to the base emotion of pity, not empowerment - which is ableism. With the soft language of “compassion” and “ending suffering”. Whereas the Nazis didn’t give “choice” they did appeal to those same notions, that what they were doing was good. This time the eugenics movement has rebranded with clean image and they have worked for years to get the public to buy in... and the public is none the wiser. They’re actually pretty unwise...to not see how dangerous trying include more and more people like it is some kind of noble goal. We jumped the gun...because of the dying with “dignity” lobby lawyers. UK has not been so quick to embrace it and as they have watched it unfold, and recognized how much power it gives physicians....their disability activists have been way better organized and more tenacious. This may be because, unlike our government, theirs signed onto the UN convention before us, and it was not that long ago that they had ingenious public service campaigns aimed at educating about what discrimination looks like. I think that eventually got cancelled by Tory austerity...but it made a strong impression.

Question: why not just make it available to anyone and everyone who wants it?


Another question: is an individuals “right to die” due to disability, really worth opening up the slippery slope to include children and those with mental illness, at this time in history? Could we have picked a worse f***ing time to pass this?


And why am I repeating myself? I’ve already laid out reasons why it shouldn’t be a “right” in the broadest sense - because it negates the rights to life in their broadest sense. It was supposed to be for easing painful death of the terminally ill.
 
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Canadians were duped. We have some the most permissive assisted suicide legislation in the world. But we’re such a comfortably naive society the average Canadian would never believe there are darker forces behind this...that go all the way back to the 30s and eugenics...they’ve just re-emerged to seem friendlier.
 
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The nazis used “compassion” and “ending suffering” to get parents to be compliant with handing over their disabled children. So if Canadians are starting to ask for it for their children (which they are and it’s horrible)...and that’s the language that was being blasted at us throughout the whole lead up to the passage of MAiD...if nurses believe their work, their contribution to killing people who are not terminally ill but deemed by a couple of doctors ticking boxes to be “suffering” enough, is for a compassionate purpose (as did nazi nurses)...something has gone horribly wrong. I mean, you wouldn’t argue that the nazis were justified would you? If the Canadian public keeps opening it up to more vulnerable people specifically, without equal options to support living with dignity...what makes us better than the nazis were? It’s still about saving money and cutting services so that money can go to things like war.
 
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I suggest you read the papers I posted. One of them lays out concerns about physician assisted suicide that are coming to pass...but I guess nobody bothered to revisit these “old” predictions before passing the bill. We were warned.
 
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Another question...if two physicians in haste to get the paperwork done make a miscalculation about the reasons someone is suffering - and the patient dies by administration of MAiD who knows about it? If they make a deliberate misrepresentation, which would have been murder before...who knows about it? The patient is dead and can’t tell us what happened. The required information is basic. And how can anyone know about it? Family doesn’t even have to know. And what happens to those doctors? Do they get slapped on the wrist and sent to assess more patients? Will the medical establishment become as self protecting in the face of allegations of egregious harm, as the Catholic Church? Because that’s what happens to unchecked power.
 

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This is such a big issue that it cannot be considered in black and white terms. I recognize the very serious concerns of people being pressured to "choose" assisted suicide because are somehow a burden. That would cover a potentially large group of people.

Another concern relates to services and supports for people with life threatening conditions. Assisted suicide should never be a replacement for good end of life support such as palliative care. I worry that sometimes it is easier for some policy makers and funders to go this route

Finally, I do believe that people should have significant choice in how they end their life and when. We may not always agree with their choice. No question. Also, the fact they need help complicates the issue. Still, there are times when people do have to be able to make their own choice.

As in any complicated issue, there are probably more concerns.
 
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And, if an able bodied person is suicidal they would be treated for it. The chances of a suicidal disabled person being killed are higher - because the doctor is more likely see the diagnosis first and not even factor in the outside barriers.


So, that means an able bodied person is seen as more valuable. It’s deadly ableism.