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chansen

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So inferred hate speech against Catholic Priests is acceptable then?
It's like every time a the police turn over a rock, there is a pedophile priest under it. From the same organization that calls homosexuality "disordered".

I suggest that anyone who is not a direct sexual abuser is an abuser by proxy if they consent to protecting any abuser.

It is well documented that in most cases the 'abuser' turns out to be someone known to the child through communal involvement.

If you are loathe to trust a priest with a child it would stand to reason that you should also be loath to trust a ...
Some religious priests are rapists but not all rapists are religious priests!
There's just a metric tonne more rapists among priests. Catholic dioceses are being sued around the globe for protecting their pedophile priests for decades. They're busy hiding and protecting assets from seizure to satisfy those awards. That Catholic Church is a child sex ring with fancy architecture. And so Canadians let them run almost half the schools, because that makes sense.

If they don't like being called a child sex ring, they should not have protected their pedophiles. If they were any other sort of organization, they would be shut down, their properties confiscated and their leaders arrested. Because everyone is supposed to revere people who wear robes and claim a really cool imaginary friend, we don't do that to churches. Especially ex-pope Ratzinger, who we know ordered the coverup. We have his name on the document ordering all abuse accusations to remain in the church and not to call local police.

The Catholic Church is a criminal organization. It has a long history of harbouring and enabling rapists.
 

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I had mentioned that I was going to address the topic of consent as far as the actors go. As mentioned, I think that needs it's own thread and it's a little off topic for this one, so I'll just simply say this: Porn films/vids have become big business and gone mainstream, in large part due to the internet. While I don't doubt that their are still predators who coerce young girls into doing films or a casting couch mentality, ethics in the porn industry are driven by money. Many actors (I use that word in a gender neutral sense) now control their own careers and have rules about what they will and won't do in a scene written into their contracts. There are women who now helm the films as directors and producers. It's not the back lot camera crew in a dirty warehouse with no supervision anymore. It has become, if not a universally respectable career, than certainly one that doesn't hold the same stigma as it once did.

Many videos in the bdsm genre actually begin with the actress sitting in a comfortable setting and talking about what she'll be doing and also end with her talking about the scene in a likewise fashion with obvious enjoyment, and they're not usually good enough actors to fake that! lol
 

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There are bound situations due to fail ... due to lack of discipline in the SM mode where pain is in the learning ... the male portion may find it coming back at the 'M ... the millenium crowd strike as impulse. Few will see the unseen connections ...

The life of living with the aches ...
 

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The Catholic Church is a criminal organization. It has a long history of harbouring and enabling rapists.
The Criminal Justice System is a politicalized criminal organization. It has a long history of harboring and enabling 'useful' rapists.
 

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The Criminal Justice System is a politicalized criminal organization. It has a long history of harboring and enabling 'useful' rapists.
Doesn't that strip all the lesser folks to the bone? Scrimshaw!
 

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I have noticed that much commercially available pornography is funded by major American corporations. These are generally related to the manufacture and sale of automobiles, liquors and fashion accessories. My intuition suggests that excited and frustrated desire provide ground for the rise of consumptive behaviour. There is also the layer of shame and guilt experienced by many who seek pleasure in pornography. These are debilitating features in any personality. I am not saying all. Some manage an esthetic attraction to images and language rooted in sexual behaviour. It can be taken in as art and literature. I am one who appreciates and values persons met along the way. This with not one iota of desire for carnal relations. My delight is experienced in our marriage bed.
 

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The Criminal Justice System is a politicalized criminal organization. It has a long history of harboring and enabling 'useful' rapists.
While the criminal justice system also harbours child rapists, the Vatican gives theirs much fancier clothes.
 

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I have noticed that much commercially available pornography is funded by major American corporations. These are generally related to the manufacture and sale of automobiles, liquors and fashion accessories. My intuition suggests that excited and frustrated desire provide ground for the rise of consumptive behaviour. There is also the layer of shame and guilt experienced by many who seek pleasure in pornography. These are debilitating features in any personality. I am not saying all. Some manage an esthetic attraction to images and language rooted in sexual behaviour. It can be taken in as art and literature. I am one who appreciates and values persons met along the way. This with not one iota of desire for carnal relations. My delight is experienced in our marriage bed.
What sex in AD's? Hoo'dah thunk it?
 

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While the criminal justice system also harbours child rapists, the Vatican gives theirs much fancier clothes.
We forget, always, that the key component in the whole Vatican/RCC scandal is the "celibacy" requirement. It is not a natural attribute for the vast bulk of humanity. The very small percentage of permanently "asexual" people couldn't possibly fulfill the needs of the RCC for clergy. So the resulting mismatch between supply and demand is painfully and catastrophically awful. I cannot understand why someone cannot say this to the Pope in words that are heard and acted upon.
 
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If we had a more socialist system, would porn be socialized?:unsure: I doubt it. Big business exploits and I think people going into the sex business, as owners for profit, have likely been exploited along the way, also. I have noticed that just about everyone I have met who is or has been involved in the sex industry, at one point in time has been harmed by it or abused at some point before (or while) they got into it. Except maybe the feminist sex toy store in Vancouver...that’s more about empowerment.
 

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If we had a more socialist system, would porn be socialized?
Arguably it has been with the growth in amateur porn and the female creators movement in porn. Not all porn is big business anymore and it's the Internet that has largely facilitated that. Much as it is enabling creators in other fields to bypass business, such as the indie musicians I follow who use social media and crowd sourcing rather than a record deal to get to their audience.
 

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We forget, always, that the key component in the whole Vatican/RCC scandal is the "celibacy" requirement. It is not a natural attribute for the vast bulk of humanity. The very small percentage of permanently "asexual" people couldn't possibly fulfill the needs of the RCC for clergy. So the resulting mismatch between supply and demand is painfully and catastrophically awful. I cannot understand why someone cannot say this to the Pope in words that are heard and acted upon.
I am sorry but this is a cheap excuse for abusers, which I did not expect from you, bette. Just because they are not supposed to marry they become abusers? There are a few other legal options, like secret relations with consenting adults and using prostitutes. Nobody is forced by circumstances to abuse others.
 

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I am sorry but this is a cheap excuse for abusers, which I did not expect from you, bette. Just because they are not supposed to marry they become abusers? There are a few other legal options, like secret relations with consenting adults and using prostitutes. Nobody is forced by circumstances to abuse others.
I wonder if this is a conversation for a separate thread.

While I completely agree with Mrs. A.'s post, I do think that celibacy and a culture of sexual repression, combined with the authoritarian and patriarchal structures that are enshrined within the Catholic church, provided an environment where sexual abuse could quietly flourish.
 

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I am sorry but this is a cheap excuse for abusers, which I did not expect from you, bette. Just because they are not supposed to marry they become abusers? There are a few other legal options, like secret relations with consenting adults and using prostitutes. Nobody is forced by circumstances to abuse others.
No excuse. However, an explanation for the particular predicament in which the RCC flounders, and I didn't mean to disrupt the thread but chansen brought it up. I return you to your regular programming.
 

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Is "regular" normal or beyond the case?

If beyond could we question IT?
 

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I have watched porn over the years occasionally with hubby

Honestly, it has been titillating to an extent but mainly it is so boring. Just hours of thrusting for the most part

Obviously I have not been seeing more advanced porn but I find it hard to understand that it has as much a following as it does

I have no issue with actors making a living as best they can. Omg. One of my kids dates an actor and it is a hard slog So I get the tend to porn which at least is steady work

BUt honestly. Boring
 
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I had a thought that porn is exploitation regardless of who’s making it and who is watching. Think about it...those amateurs...would they really want you in their bedroom watching them at their most intimate? Would a young adult want the stereotypical dirty old man in there with them watching and doing whatever he does? I think, most likely, not. Therefore, it’s not really consentual, it’s exploitative...because they don’t even know who is “benefitting”... they don’t get to choose the individuals who watch them.

I have a friend who was a stripper in her 20s and in the nineties also posed for an adult magazine shoot. She basically had two choices for contracts...money upfront or royalties from the use of her photos. She chose the former which was a lot for the hours spent over a few days...but not a lot considering her photos are out there still - very close up and private - and can be used as long as whoever wants to...for “ads” etc. So she gets to be “used” for the rest of her life for whoever’s jollies. That would not be a nice thing to live with.
 
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