Lust of the flesh, porn, erotica........

Jae

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I am sorry, but do you actually agree with lumping this in with rape and child molestation? Because, to be honest, that's moving into hate speech territory.
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Unsafe quoted from Forerunner Commentary and clearly stated that she was doing as such.

- They're considered to be the same thing?
 

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@unsafe said?

Unsafe quoted from Forerunner Commentary and clearly stated that she was doing as such.

- They're considered to be the same thing?
And I asked if she agreed with it, given that she quoted it. If I thought she actually said it, things would be going down much differently. Listing them all together like that shows an attempt at equivalency. I am asking if she agrees with that.
 

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@unsafe said?

Unsafe quoted from Forerunner Commentary and clearly stated that she was doing as such.
Quoting hate speech without refuting it is still hate speech. You don't get away with hate speech by saying, "It was a quote!"
 

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And I asked if she agreed with it, given that she quoted it. If I thought she actually said it, things would be going down much differently. Listing them all together like that shows an attempt at equivalency. I am asking if she agrees with that.
And I asked if she agreed with it, given that she quoted it. If I thought she actually said it, things would be going down much differently. Listing them all together like that shows an attempt at equivalency. I am asking if she agrees with that.
How does the bible read ?

Someone put up the passage
 

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Re porn and erotica.......
My introduction to porn was when my then boyfriend took me to the local drive-in to see a porn movie. (Yes, it was a very long time ago!)
Even then, the sex wasn't very titillating - all male heaving and thrusting the poor women against walls, trees, etc. The hero was the Marquis De Sade and my rational mind was upset that he was writing about his sexual exploits with a biro - I would have preferred a quill.
After watching much repetition of heaving and thrusting - by mutual agreement- my boyfriend and I went to his place for our own version of sexual pleasure.
Since then, I have had no desire to watch porn........

Erotica is more engaging.....
That said, it has to have an element of my personal fantasy world to interest me. Sexual fantasies are often of a nature that you have an interest in, but, not enough to do it in real life. (Either that, or there's nobody available in real life.)
For precisely this reason I can well understand older men fantasising about sex with much younger women - as an older woman my fantasies -like my late good friend, Crazyheart, involve young roofers.
 

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I am sorry, but do you actually agree with lumping this in with rape and child molestation? Because, to be honest, that's moving into hate speech territory.
Consider that hommo at one time was a "common" description ... and sexual denoted "relating, relations, etc" ... however few brutally refuse general compassion ... a more quiet form of emotional outburst that may damage even offspring! Let us call it latent PTSD! Mad Ness ...

Did ancient lords screw everything by rites of passage ... as the urge blew thro' ? Grand old gos continue ... a learned mean ness!
 

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I am sorry, but do you actually agree with lumping this in with rape and child molestation? Because, to be honest, that's moving into hate speech territory.
@unsafe I am still awaiting an answer to this question. Are you in agreement with your quoted source lumping homosexuality in with "horrible sex crimes"?
 

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Mendalla ---I quoted from a commentary on what this Post is about -------I never said I agree with what the Person said I agree that the Lust of the Flesh is about Lusting after anything that goes against God's Will; for us ----

Mendalla ------I am a lesbian ----I have lived with my partner since 1984 -----do I think homosexuality is a horrible sex crime ---No ---or I wouldn't be one -----I am a Holy Spirit filled lesbian who loves God and His word ------
 
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unsafe, you can't just quote anything you'd like, and then hide behind "I never said I agreed with it".

You posted it, you take responsibility for it. I'd start by apologizing for posting hate speech and asking a mod to remove it, then watching more carefully what I was posting. You're going to be asked to leave if you don't recognize your error and make amends.
 

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Mendalla ---I quoted from a commentary on what this Post is about -------I never said I agree with what the Person said I agree that the Lust of the Flesh is about Lusting after anything that goes against God's Will; for us ----
In future, be careful of posting without comment. Other boards actually require that you comment on anything you link or quote from offsite. We don't, but it is still a good practice. Consider this a warning to be careful about it in future. Thanks for your response. This matter is closed. We return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of lust, smut, and other cool stuff.
 

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Thanks Mendalla -------and if I offended anyone by my post I do apologize and if one wants to remove What I posted then so be it ---have I no objection to it -------I will be more aware of what I post -----
I am actually going to leave it up as an example of what we don't want around here.
 

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Thanks Mendalla -------and if I offended anyone by my post I do apologize and if one wants to remove What I posted then so be it ---have I no objection to it -------I will be more aware of what I post -----
I think your post accurately captures a common Christian position. It's a stupid, hateful position, but it's still popular among Christians.
 

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Here's an interesting question (based on some cheeky remarks I made in another thread):

How would you feel about someone writing Jesus-porn. That is, an erotic story featuring Jesus. Could be with Mary Magdalene or maybe with one of the Twelve. Is it offensive? Is it a cool idea? Is it something you've even considered before?

Personally, I wouldn't do it. My writing site has a ban on religious figures from contemporary religions so I'm not sure where I would put it and I still have a bit of reverence for the guy in any case. But, really, it should be no different otherwise from writing "slash" (erotic fan fiction) about any other literary or historical figure. Should it?
 

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Here's an interesting question (based on some cheeky remarks I made in another thread):

How would you feel about someone writing Jesus-porn. That is, an erotic story featuring Jesus. Could be with Mary Magdalene or maybe with one of the Twelve. Is it offensive? Is it a cool idea? Is it something you've even considered before?

Personally, I wouldn't do it. My writing site has a ban on religious figures from contemporary religions so I'm not sure where I would put it and I still have a bit of reverence for the guy in any case. But, really, it should be no different otherwise from writing "slash" (erotic fan fiction) about any other literary or historical figure. Should it?
It's sad is what it is.
 

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It's sad is what it is.
You do know that I am speaking hypothetically, right? I mean, I wouldn't be shocked to find it exists, but I don't have evidence of it.
 

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You do know that I am speaking hypothetically, right? I mean, I wouldn't be shocked to find it exists, but I don't have evidence of it.
Yes, I got that. It probably does exist somewhere. I'm not going to go looking for it, but it has probably been created. It seems people want to write about many different types of characters. There's Star Trek stuff out there too, much of it Kirk/Spock.
 

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There's Star Trek stuff out there too, much of it Kirk/Spock.
That's where "slash" started, as you've just illustrated. I've never written slash or other fan fic. Playing in other people's sandboxes doesn't rock my world. I'd rather take inspiration from what I like and do my own thing from there.
 

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Imagine a near naked Christ glowing on a stick ... inflamed intellect reduced to embers ... thus Chichester novels ... this can ignite something ... displaced souls? Yet there are sects that say the light must Dei ... and many are left a maze din the dark ... God rest! --- Methuselah!

Then there was that headless horse riding through the sleepy realm ... IHC a Bode!
 

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Going to jump right on here. There is a subtext weaving through this thread, one that mirrors the views of many religions, that sex is sinful. Even the act of having sexual feelings not acted upon (The most basic meaning of lust is an unquenchable desire for sex) is sinful.

Jae posted the following earlier: “I believe that sex is for within marriage – for between a wife and her husband and shared with no one else. I see anything other than that to be against God’s design for intimacy and hence to be sinful.”

There is nothing wrong with having strong beliefs and acting accordingly. What you have to be careful of is using them to judge others. I see that happen quite a bit, probably more than many of you due to my background and experiences. Perhaps not.

My belief is somewhat different. I believe that sex is an act between two or more consenting adults regardless of their relationship(s) and to be shared as they choose. As for God’s design, I can’t speak for that – he, she, it, they have yet to share it with me. I really liked Mendalla’s earlier break down of consent. It does involve more than just the people involved in the actual act of intimacy. It involves any and all partners who might be affected as well.

A brief interjection. When discussing sex you’re going to see me use the ‘C’ word quite often. Consent. With it, sex is a wonderful thing, no matter how, or with whom, you choose to practice it. Without it is immoral and evil. That’s an absolute for me.
So, to bring this all together (for now, I have so much more to say on the subject, but I prefer bite size thoughts) As long as all the parties involved are consenting (another topic I will address at some point), I fail to see how the act of watching porn can be sinful.
A few things I am going to point out.

-As with anything, overdoing it to the point of obsession is not healthy.

-Porn often gives us unrealistic ideas and expectations that are passed on to the partner. What, you don’t like to be tied up and spanked? I see it all the time on Pornhub!

-Porn is hard on body image. Not all of us look like porn stars or ever will!

Those are a few of the cons. Now, a few of the pros.

-Not everyone has a partner and having an outlet, in the form of sexual fantasies or porn, can be helpful.

-It’s a good way to safely experiment with what might make you tick, sexually, without trying it out with a partner and suddenly realizing that it’s really not your thing.

-It’s fun. Especially if you’re watching with a partner. Nothing wrong with a little (or a lot of) kink in any relationship.

Back to the “sin” question. For me, a “sin” is an act that harms someone. I have trouble with the idea that the act of watching a porn video is harmful to most healthy adults.

As for lust, it’s perfectly natural to lust after someone. If it’s a partner, then wow, that’s awesome. You should be lusting after your partner. If it’s a hot chick/dude or a celebrity, and you keep it in the fantasy realm, ie, in your head, it’s perfectly natural and very human. Personally, the whole sin game has always felt more like a way to keep people in line. If you look at the seven deadly sins, wouldn’t you say that most of them, done in small amounts, are harmless? Sloth? Gluttony? Envy? Lust? Pride? Wrath? Lust? Some of those, if not taken to the extreme, are actually beneficial. A little pride never hurt anyone – you should take pride in something done well - and laying around slothfully on a Sunday afternoon is a great way to recharge your batteries.
 
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