Lust of the flesh, porn, erotica........

[DaisyJane]

I've been thinking of this topic a little more. Probably my biggest exposure to erotica is in the writings of Diana Gabaldon. She has some steamy scenes in her novels. That might be a little sad.

I do enjoy the Jamie and Claire scenes.

 

[Mendalla]

They aren't my taste in literature.

But otherwise okay, then. Good to hear.

See, I get it that not everyone is into this stuff. I am not out to force it on anyone. If you don't like it, don't consume it. Simple as that.

 

[Mendalla]

Pornography is all pervasive on the www. It is all well and good to talk about consent ... technology has virtually done away with it.

Google with Safe Search turned on works pretty well for me. Even on Moderate, it cleans things up pretty well and on Strict, it's basically kid-safe.

I do get what you're saying, though. The Internet on some levels is a bit of a cesspool.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I think all sin is just being selfish and doing what is hurtful to others whether it’s sex (cheating can certainly be consensual...but also devastating to couples and families, for example), or greed/ money-lust...gluttony is a sin...it’s about gorging oneself on food, sex, money, or whatever impulses one has whenever they want without a thought of sharing or caring about others...without self control.

 

[Jae]

I think all sin is just being selfish and doing what is hurtful to others whether it’s sex (cheating can certainly be consensual...but also devastating to couples and families, for example), or greed/ money-lust...gluttony is a sin...it’s about gorging oneself on food, sex, money, or whatever impulses one has whenever they want without a thought of sharing or caring about others...without self control.

That would include using porn then, since it's a selfish act which is without self-control.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

That would include using porn then, since it's a selfish act which is without self-control.

I agree. Except maybe when couples watch it together, it doesn’t depict degrading sex, and it’s something both people like to watch together and are not uncomfortable with. Or, if one person watches it alone, it doesn’t interfere with their real sex life and expectations about real people...especially women. It often gives a distorted and degrading view of women. Of men too...but I don’t know too many women who ever expected their male partner to be like a porn star. In fact, it’s probably the last thing most of us want.

 

[Waterfall]

I think all sin is just being selfish and doing what is hurtful to others whether it’s sex (cheating can certainly be consensual...but also devastating to couples and families, for example), or greed/ money-lust...gluttony is a sin...it’s about gorging oneself on food, sex, money, or whatever impulses one has whenever they want without a thought of sharing or caring about others...without self control.

My understanding is that the 7 deadly sins are not biblical....gluttony, lust, etc...but the bible does say that all "sins" are forgivable except one.

 

[Luce NDs]

The first word in BDSM is bondage ... how does one become bound to such concepts?

The the second word is discipline ... and from there it goes on into reciprocal roles and rolls of t'under & J' Sous or Somme thin like that as a wee small man ... overrun by god-love. Be more moderate ... or psyche could get yah!

Chi's a maze 'n in the field of conjuring up innate stuff ... what's innate is debatable too so the challenge goes on until lost ... the mystery of it all going down!

If the experience is had those on hard points won't see it from there way of being stiffed!

 

[Mendalla]

cheating can certainly be consensual...but also devastating to couples and families, for example

I analyze cheating a bit differently in terms of consent. In my take, there are three parties, not two:

1. The party cheated on
2. The party cheating
3. The party they are cheating with

Only two of those, 2 and 3, have given consent. And in more than a few cases, 3's consent is dubious since 2 often lies about their status or situation: We're separated (when they aren't), I have a hall pass (when they don't), and so on. If 3 knew the whole truth, they might not have consented.

 

[unsafe]

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Waterfall said -----the bible does say that all "sins" are forgivable except one.----

Yes you are so right ----Jesus took all sin for all people ------Now Receiving Jesus in our heart and making Him our Lord and Saviour is the issue ---and if we Reject Jesus The Son who took our sins then we Reject God The Father ---As the 2 Are One -and then your left with no recourse except to face God's wrath of the 2nd death ------- Receiving Jesus is the issue now ------

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[Kimmio Laughterlove]

My understanding is that the 7 deadly sins are not biblical....gluttony, lust, etc...but the bible does say that all "sins" are forgivable except one.

No...but the concepts of gluttony and lust would be included in covetousness.

 

[Mendalla]

My understanding is that the 7 deadly sins are not biblical....gluttony, lust, etc

It's a medieval Catholic thing as far as I know. Wiki suggests it began in the fourth century CE with a monk named Evagrus Ponticus who listed eight "evil thoughts". Pope Gregory 1 finalized it c. 590 CE. So not biblical, more to do with church teachings and monastic practice originally.

I honestly don't consider "lust" as a horrible, terrible thing. Certainly not as a "sin". Sexual desire, or lust, is a necessary thing for beings who reproduce sexually. Excessive lust, to the extent that it dominates us or harms our relationships by leading us to cheat, sexually harass, rape, etc. (see my remarks about "sin" and the UU first principle upthread) is where problems begin, but garden variety "I want to hit that" stuff is being human.

Of course, one could redefine "lust" to mean only excessive desire, in which case I might agree with it being a "sin" but that's not really how it is commonly used these days.

 

[Luce NDs]

Gluttony and avarice are good for stuffing animals before the reaping for a feast ...

This may apply to the spirits in essence as they consume us ... as having intelligence that parallels that of a pig!

There are some benefits like being able to smell truffles and trifles from afar!

There are social efforts that are attempting to reserve the stuffing of gooses and other birds ... and forgiving of turkeys as a self protective protocol!

It could be a story of falls nous ... when dropping into God-love to learn the dangers to thought!

 

[unsafe]

read all here ---
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/CGG/ID/1207/Pornography.htm

about Pornography
(From Forerunner Commentary)

The origin of the word "pornography" reveals a great deal about its influence through the ages. It derives from the Greek word pornographos and simply means "the writing of prostitutes." Originally, it described prostitutes and their trade, but later came to refer to writings and pictures intended to arouse sexual desire. Lewdness is bitter and poisonous but enticing to those who are deceived by lusts (Ephesians 4:18-22). Nudity is a powerful enticement, as the sin of David and Bathsheba shows (II Samuel 11:2-5). Adultery and fornication are born of lust and thrive on desire. The apostle James clearly expresses this process of entrapment: But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is fullgrown, brings forth death. (James 1:14-15) Jesus also reveals that sexual perversions grow out of lust: For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, . . . covetousness, wickedness, . . . licentiousness. . . . All these evil things come from within and defile a man. (Mark 7:21-23) Council Annotation: The sentence below is a violation of Rule 2, which bans, among other things, homophobic speech. The inclusion of homosexuality in a list of "horrible sexual crimes" has long been used as an excuse for hate and persecution of gay people. It is unacceptable on this forum unless accompanied by appropriate criticism, which it is not here. We are not going to delete it, but are calling attention to its nature. The user may face further sanctions if they do not clarify their intent in posting it. Pornography draws to the surface the desires simmering within. In a decadent society, those lusts bear the fruit of horrible sexual crimes: adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, rape, child molestation, and incest. Pornography degrades that which God created in His image (Genesis 1:27). It brings man, created a little lower than the angels (Psalm 8:5), down to the level of animals (Jude 10). Lewdness is an affront to God; all that pornography glorifies and promotes is in direct and open violation of God's law. These are emphatically stated in Scripture: adultery (Exodus 20:14; Proverbs 6:32), carnal desire (Ephesians 4:17-22; Matthew 5:28), bestiality (Deuteronomy 27:21; Leviticus 18:23), incest (Leviticus 18:6-9; 20:11-14), rape (Deuteronomy 22:25-27), sodomy (Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26, 27), child molestation (Matthew 18:10).

 

[Mendalla]

homosexuality

I am sorry, but do you actually agree with lumping this in with rape and child molestation? Because, to be honest, that's moving into hate speech territory.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Agreed. Of the other 'crimes', only 'carnal desire' and' homosexuality' have the capacity to involve informed, uncoerced consent.

I think we have to place replace consent with "sexual crime" in these discussions. Between two consenting uncoerced adults (which largely rules out incest and illness/incapacity), sexual activity should be no business of any state/rule system.

 

[Mendalla]

And just to be perfectly clear on where my question comes from, Rule 2 in the Code of Conduct is:

Violence and Hate Speech: Racist, sexist, homophobic and otherwise discriminatory, defamatory or offensive language will not be tolerated. Comments that gratuitously attack or demean individuals or organizations are not acceptable. Inciting anyone to commit a crime may itself be a crime – don’t do it. Any such posts may be deleted and the user banned from the site.

 

[chansen]

Pornography draws to the surface the desires simmering within. In a decadent society, those lusts bear the fruit of horrible sexual crimes: adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, rape, child molestation, and incest.

So maybe the pornography they were consuming was causing all those Catholic priests to rape children?

Listing adultery and homosexuality with rape, child molestation, and incest is absolutely hate speech. But then, it is a common Christian position. This is a bit of a problem.

And really, if most of us were honest, would we rather a missing boy be found by a random gay man or a random Catholic priest?

 

[Mendalla]

And really, if most of us were honest, would we rather a missing boy be found by a random gay man or a random Catholic priest?

Random gay man, for sure. Less likely to be a molester for starters. (Yes, I realize you're probably being ironic or something here, but it's also a fairly serious question for some)

 

[Jae]

And really, if most of us were honest, would we rather a missing boy be found by a random gay man or a random Catholic priest?

Hmm... would we rather a missing boy be found by a random gay man or a random Catholic priest... you do realize that there are some gay Catholic priests, right? Just commenting on your false dichotomy there.

Gay men can be great with kids though. My Akela was gay and he was a great guy. Very well liked by all.