Lets Talk about the Holy Spirit

Luce NDs

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Then the synonyms for remorse :
deep regret or guilt for a wrong committed.
"they were filled with remorse and shame"
synonyms:
contrition, deep regret, repentance, penitence, guilt, feelings of guilt, bad/guilty conscience, compunction, remorsefulness, ruefulness, contriteness, sorrow, shame, self-reproach, self-accusation, self-condemnation;
pangs of conscience
How much does one need to know before you were aware something went wrong? Then there are the authorities that say knowledge, science, observation are wrong in the eyes of blind fates ... being as many don;t wish to know where they're going from here! Thus no consequences are composted?

Who knows this chit as small bits ... until your bit byiđ? Yiddish Ness expands ... Yada, Yada, Yada ... Aye Yada known better if taken a second look ...
 

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It's always the same attack, and you want my reply to change?

Science is a method and the knowledge accumulated using that method. That's it. Those who are religious and are distrustful of science are *desperate* for science to confirm their beliefs. When science does not, or worse, shoots down religious claims, the religious blame science. Science does not care about your invisible friend.
It is not an attack.
Religion is a method and the knowledge accumulated using that method. That's it.
Most religions are distrustful of other religions and are looking to confirm their own beliefs.
When one religion shoots down the religious claims of another the differing religions blame each other.
All religions strive to understand/imagine what is not visible to the naked eye and bring it into consciousness.

Religion is an 'old Latin word': religio meaning "taboo, restraint."
The 'word' comes from the two words re and ligare.
Re
is a prefix meaning "return," and ligare means "to bind;" in other words,"return to bondage."

Hypothetically speaking ... "Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?"

Before the word gravity existed did gravity exist?
Before the word anything existed did anything exist?

Some religions prefer dogma over experience. My religion prefers experience over dogma.

I theorize that 'spirit' as a 'holy/positive force' is acting on the evolution of consciousness.

The answers my friend are still blowing in the wind.
 

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Religion is hard on flexible understanding as it flows!

Understanding .... get some before it rushes by ...
 

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Thank you, but I now have my sermon written and no longer require "assistance" writing it......
You'll have to share.

Doubt it will stop the conversation. Pavlos and chansen, what do you do with "love"? Such a thing clearly exists, but it's invisible, and there are so many different definitions that it's largely a meaningless term. Agreed?
 

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You'll have to share.

Doubt it will stop the conversation. Pavlos and chansen, what do you do with "love"? Such a thing clearly exists, but it's invisible, and there are so many different definitions that it's largely a meaningless term. Agreed?
Aren't both emotions and intelligence intangible ... but thoroughly conflicted? Will someday we begin to see ...
 

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You'll have to share.

Doubt it will stop the conversation. Pavlos and chansen, what do you do with "love"? Such a thing clearly exists, but it's invisible, and there are so many different definitions that it's largely a meaningless term. Agreed?
It's all hormones and emotions, a purely psychological/neurological/endocrinal phenomenon evolved to produce a more cohesive social unit by providing a basis for bonding between individuals. Any suggestion it is more is just "woo". Roughly.

Is that what I think? At times, but I am not closed minded on the subject.
 

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You'll have to share.

Doubt it will stop the conversation
Are you kidding? I'd have to have a kangaroo loose in the top paddock to share my sermon here........

To mix my metaphors, it would be like standing still and letting Pavros and chansen slap me across the face with a dead fish - not something I'd enjoy!

Seriously, though, I've enjoyed the challenge of preparing a sermon on something that can't be seen, but can mean so much to those who've enjoyed the experience. (Rather like love - whether it's imagination, hormones, etc etc I've enjoyed the experience.)
 

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Are you kidding? I'd have to have a kangaroo loose in the top paddock to share my sermon here........

To mix my metaphors, it would be like standing still and letting Pavros and chansen slap me across the face with a dead fish - not something I'd enjoy!

Seriously, though, I've enjoyed the challenge of preparing a sermon on something that can't be seen, but can mean so much to those who've enjoyed the experience. (Rather like love - whether it's imagination, hormones, etc etc I've enjoyed the experience.)
In my defense, I would probably choose a very small fish.

Were you able to work in anything I provided?
 

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Then there are those totems for walking fish ... skippers taking command of the dirt under the finn ...
 

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Science and religion are two sides of the same coin. Science being rational (fact) and religion being irrational (metaphor) This manifest in our human brains. Of course some are biased to science as others are biased to religion. Sad to watch the division between these two elements of our (common) human being.

Imagination indicates change is possible. Science makes that change manifest. Orville and Wilbur imagined a flying machine. They verified that imagination by building and flying that machine. All scientific advance has its roots in imagination.

I imagine that one day humanity’s deep divisions will be reconciled by recognizing the binary nature of all being. Till then we patiently endure conflict rooted in disagreement regarding truth; each maintaining their perspective as superior to the perspective of others.

There is one life expressed as an infinite variety of form. That life animates each one of us. Respect for this one life leads to reconciliation of difference and the hope of healing and renewal.
 
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Imagination indicates change is possible. Science makes that change manifest. Orville and Wilbur imagined a flying machine. They verified that imagination by building and flying that machine. All scientific advance has its roots in imagination.
Thank you, I really appreciate your post......
Interesting to consider the role that imagination plays in both science and religion. Without imagination, I doubt whether both would be possible.

I wish more folks could see that both science and religion can enrich our lives, rather than simplistically selecting one and negating the other.
That said, one has to be open to appreciating metaphor.......
 

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Running late to the party. My apologies. Summers in St. Anthony produce quite a different vibe and I find myself out listening to whales breathe and spout and dance.

PilgrimsProgress said:
As regards the Trinity - we have an idea what a father and son represent - but a Spirit?
We are more than mere flesh and blood. We possess an unidentifiable (at the moment) non-corporeal reality that makes us more us than we are without it.

PilgrimsProgress said:
How would you describe the Spirit?
The Holy Spirit is that portion of the Godhead which is not only non-corporeal (as is the Father/Creator) but less mercurial. The Holy Spirit/Comforter/Sustainer is a constant presence.

PilgrimsProgress said:
How do you know if the Spirit is guiding you - or is it your own thoughts?
A humble spirit would always take pause to discern which Spirit is doing the leading. I don't think that the Holy Spirit generates arrogance so much as it gives ground for confidence. I suspect that as we seek to discern we hear less "me" language and more "ye" language.

PilgrimsProgress said:
Is a spiritual experience a sign that you are being taught/guided/ helped/ comforted by the Holy Spirit - or is it just an emotional experience?
I don't think the two are necessarily mutually exclusive. Again listen to whether or not you are getting more "me" than "ye." If I am allowed to be the leading expert opinion of my own "spiritual" experiences I have found them to be a combination of exhilarating and exhausting. There is the definite thrill of being in the presence of God, of even being completely open to the ways of God and realizing that as we do make more room for God there is less room for ourselves. I suppose the more spiritually mature don't struggle with stepping aside. I find that I am not always prepared and in those moments when I am caught flat-footed my instinct is to stand my ground.

It is a lot like trying to Sumo wrestle a wave.

PilgrimsProgress said:
Does the Holy Spirit feature in your personal faith? How?
Yes. Constantly.

Part of the operation of the Holy Spirit is to instruct and mentor. My faith has been authored it is not yet perfected. The ongoing effort to instruct requires a constant effort to listen and consider.
 

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The tool of essence ... or essential as a clouded issue! Humans by observation do not really wish to know of large issues!
 

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Running late to the party. My apologies. Summers in St. Anthony produce quite a different vibe and I find myself out listening to whales breathe and spout and dance.
Your Summer has not been wasted....... Your post may have been slow in coming but is helpful. In my sermon I've included the various names and roles of the Holy Spirit.
 

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Your Summer has not been wasted....... Your post may have been slow in coming but is helpful. In my sermon I've included the various names and roles of the Holy Spirit.
Does one of them inhabit HDMI cables? Because I can't figure out why this monitor is working today when it was failing yesterday.
 

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Does one of them inhabit HDMI cables? Because I can't figure out why this monitor is working today when it was failing yesterday.
The Holy Spirit is known as the Helper - I suppose the Spirit could surmise that you would be open to tech help......
 
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