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The foundation is a fabric of lies ... just laid out as a sphinx terre in the san ... that's an r' sea!

Recall that the early lessons in the great code say that the tree of knowledge is evil ... it disrupts potent desires cast out by potentcies and dark essences ... for those that can't see it coming ... it will cause shock!
 

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In the 1990s, one focus of the antiwar movement was the impact of the genocidal sanctions against Iraq, which killed 500,000 children (a “price” that Madeleine Albright famously said was “worth it”). Antiwar activists feared that the sanctions were part of a military strategy that would end in even more devastating shooting war. Those fears proved true. Today’s sanctions seem to draw from the same playbook.

It has been shown time and again that torture “doesn’t work” for obtaining information. But torture is not a technique for obtaining information. It is a technique for breaking a person and, when practiced on a mass scale by an apartheid state or dictatorship, for breaking a society. Sanctions are similar: the point is to break the society, not “regime change.”

Sanctions are Trump’s favorite weapon, but good Democrats are no different. Obama oversaw the destruction of Syria, Clinton laughed about the murder of Gaddafi and the destruction of Libya, and Albright said that 500,000 Iraqi children’s deaths were “worth it.” For the empire, genocide, like aggression, is a normal part of politics. Nuclear planners plan how to commit it. Sanctions officials administer it. And for the most part, human rights organizations take no position on it.

Sanctions are a grant antichrist to the flames of greater love ... or at least the fading flames a compassionate attributes vanish over the horizon ... of course the average Joe is not allowed to speak of such things! Thus we sink into the vast shadow ... can we reemerge? Damn ... popovers for the innocents ... stumped as they are without knowledge of depths!
 

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In the 1990s, one focus of the antiwar movement was the impact of the genocidal sanctions against Iraq, which killed 500,000 children (a “price” that Madeleine Albright famously said was “worth it”). Antiwar activists feared that the sanctions were part of a military strategy that would end in even more devastating shooting war. Those fears proved true. Today’s sanctions seem to draw from the same playbook.

It has been shown time and again that torture “doesn’t work” for obtaining information. But torture is not a technique for obtaining information. It is a technique for breaking a person and, when practiced on a mass scale by an apartheid state or dictatorship, for breaking a society. Sanctions are similar: the point is to break the society, not “regime change.”

Sanctions are Trump’s favorite weapon, but good Democrats are no different. Obama oversaw the destruction of Syria, Clinton laughed about the murder of Gaddafi and the destruction of Libya, and Albright said that 500,000 Iraqi children’s deaths were “worth it.” For the empire, genocide, like aggression, is a normal part of politics. Nuclear planners plan how to commit it. Sanctions officials administer it. And for the most part, human rights organizations take no position on it.

And Trumps sanctions towards Iran are killing children how?
 

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When food, shelter, clothing, education and health are interfered with ... is that a sanction geared towards powerful winners?

Trump states he never loses ... and has eye's set on heaven so as to turn it into hell with sanctions!

Thus losers are lesser concerns and become subtitled ... over the horizon of view for those seeing only in straight lines ...
 

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The war in Iran is going to happen. The U.S. has bullied Iran into a desperate position. Either it accepts rule by American oil companies or it faces war. The U.S. not only hangs over Iran with the world's largest nuclear stockpile, it also long ago armed Israel with nukes, And there is every sign it intends to do the same - and soon - for Saudi Arabia.

That's why Iran is refining more uranium. It's enemy is not only the U.S. It faces destruction by Israel and the Saudis. Iran has decided it has no choice but to develop a nuclear deterrant.

Iran has in no way attacked the U.S. All of its behaviour has been legal. The villains are the U.S., Israel and Saudi Arabia - and, of course, the American oil companies. Britain has already begun kissing the American rear end in this. Will Canada do this? Like Britain, it has to obey the American bullies. Canada will probably shy away from this - but the day is coming when it won't be able to avoid choices. And it is, I suspect, coming soon. And when that happens, Canada will join Britain and other flunkies in fighting American wars. We did it in Korea, Libya, Afghanistan - and Canada had no business being in any of them (And the Canadian Legion which is supposed to represent Canadian soldiers in war will, as always, become the cheering section. For seventy years, Canadians have died in American wars - and The Legion has in every case supported the inerests of the billionaires, and has tossed in our troops as human sacrifices.
 

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The war in Iran is going to happen. The U.S. has bullied Iran into a desperate position. Either it accepts rule by American oil companies or it faces war. The U.S. not only hangs over Iran with the world's largest nuclear stockpile, it also long ago armed Israel with nukes, And there is every sign it intends to do the same - and soon - for Saudi Arabia.

That's why Iran is refining more uranium. It's enemy is not only the U.S. It faces destruction by Israel and the Saudis. Iran has decided it has no choice but to develop a nuclear deterrant.

Iran has in no way attacked the U.S. All of its behaviour has been legal. The villains are the U.S., Israel and Saudi Arabia - and, of course, the American oil companies. Britain has already begun kissing the American rear end in this. Will Canada do this? Like Britain, it has to obey the American bullies. Canada will probably shy away from this - but the day is coming when it won't be able to avoid choices. And it is, I suspect, coming soon. And when that happens, Canada will join Britain and other flunkies in fighting American wars. We did it in Korea, Libya, Afghanistan - and Canada had no business being in any of them (And the Canadian Legion which is supposed to represent Canadian soldiers in war will, as always, become the cheering section. For seventy years, Canadians have died in American wars - and The Legion has in every case supported the inerests of the billionaires, and has tossed in our troops as human sacrifices.
What a critical evaluation for a Christian world in crisis of not getting what God gave to another group ... a crisis unliked by at least one sacred ploy ... resembling a hidden agenda ... ploy stirring the caldron!

Humans are a mess ...
 

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Will Canada do this?
“Canada Adopts ‘America First’ Foreign Policy” The US embassy in Ottawa boasted in a March 2017 memo.

The cable was authored just weeks after the centrist government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau appointed Chrystia Freeland as foreign minister. The former editor of the major international news agency Reuters, Freeland has pushed for aggressive policies against states targeted by Washington for regime change, including Venezuela, Russia, Nicaragua, Syria, and Iran.

The State Department added that Trudeau had promoted Freeland “in large part because of her strong U.S. contacts,”

and that her “number one priority” was working closely with Washington.

The memo offers the most concrete evidence to date that the United States sees Ottawa as an imperial subject

and considers Canadian foreign policy as subordinate to its own.

Trudeau and Freeland have repeatedly called for the overthrow of the elected Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro.


Canadian mining corporations, already heavily exploiting Honduras, desperate to get access to Venezuela’s substantial mineral reserves.

Chrystia Freeland strongly supports sanctions against Western enemies


and is a vocal advocate of unilaterally seizing the assets of foreign leaders deemed by Washington to be “dictators.”

She has pushed this “America first” foreign policy especially hard in Latin America and the Middle East.

In addition to imposing brutal sanctions on Venezuela,
helping the US maintain a crippling economic blockade of the country, the Trudeau government has also sanctioned Nicaragua, whose democratically elected socialist government survived a violent right-wing onslaught in 2018. Freeland has echoed the Trump administration’s harsh rhetoric against Nicaragua’s Sandinista government.

Canada has also followed the US in expanding the economic attack against Syria, part of a renewed effort to destabilize the government of Bashar al-Assad. Weeks after Freeland was promoted, Ottawa pushed through a new round of sanctions against Damascus.

Freeland has also joined Washington in its campaign to suffocate Iran.


The Canadian foreign minister has refused to re-establish diplomatic ties with Tehran.

Freeland also strengthened ties with the far-right government of Benjamin Netanyahu ...

Pledging Canada’s “ironclad” support for Israel.


 

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I thought Trump at least had enough brains to put a lid on John Bolton. This man has been crazy for years - extremely aggressive and forever looking for a war. He had no business creating this crisis in the first place. So I thought Trump had pushed him aside. But apparently not. Now, he has sucked the U.S. and Britain into a very foolish and illegal war situation. Europe will be furious

Britain is likely to take a pounding on this. But, like Canada, it now has to fight U.S. wars - as indeed it has for some years. And the whole region is on the edge of pure chaos. It even has the possibility of spreading well beyond the middle east. Bolton knows that. That's what he wants. The chaos could even spread to Latin America. And it raises every possibility of Chinese and Russian intervention.

Will Trump ask for Canadian participation? Very, very possibly. Will Trudeau agree? Very likely. (And the Conservatives are even worse. Much, much worse).

Trump is a long way out of control on this as he is now more tied up iin a Nazi style racism campaign.
 

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I;m sending this out of disgust at the world we have allowed to happen. Indulge me.
 

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"The most destructive people on this earth are - us.
And we do it to please -- our billionaires.
And -- even the billionaires will die. "
 
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I'm afraid this could be it. The Saudis almost certainly are lying about the origin of the attack on its oil fields. And it makes no sense at all for Iran to have been the attacker. It has virtually no impact on the fighting ability of Saudi and the U.S.
My guess is this was set up by Trump's cabinet - the Bolton fans.
I don't think Trump wants this. His reaction so far has been pretty restrained. But he's going to be under tremendous pressure from the oil bosses. And they are more that rich enough to beat down a lesser billionaire like Trump.

We'll very soon know where this is all going. My guess would be a Russia/Chinese intervention against the U.S. and Saudi Arabia (and Britain),. And an invitation to Canada, among others, to join the forces of Christian virtue. And Trump will cave in.

This is very, very dangerous.
 

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I'm afraid this could be it. The Saudis almost certainly are lying about the origin of the attack on its oil fields. And it makes no sense at all for Iran to have been the attacker. It has virtually no impact on the fighting ability of Saudi and the U.S.
My guess is this was set up by Trump's cabinet - the Bolton fans.
I don't think Trump wants this. His reaction so far has been pretty restrained. But he's going to be under tremendous pressure from the oil bosses. And they are more that rich enough to beat down a lesser billionaire like Trump.

We'll very soon know where this is all going. My guess would be a Russia/Chinese intervention against the U.S. and Saudi Arabia (and Britain),. And an invitation to Canada, among others, to join the forces of Christian virtue. And Trump will cave in.

This is very, very dangerous.
Who do you believe did attack the oil fields? and for what reason?
 

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Who did the attack? Probably the Houthis. Notice that world leaders are not jumping up to have the honour of pronouncing on this. And notice that this bombing is of no value to Iranians in any war.
 

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Quite frankly Graeme, I'm not too familiar with the Houthis, but I'm reading that they've taken over Yemen and the US gives them 25 million a year right? They also seem to have the support of Iran but are not under their control?
Can you explain how they play into all of this and why Saudi Arabia cannot accuse Iran if the Houthis are a "group" from Iran with Iran's support?
 

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I'm afraid this could be it. The Saudis almost certainly are lying about the origin of the attack on its oil fields. And it makes no sense at all for Iran to have been the attacker. It has virtually no impact on the fighting ability of Saudi and the U.S.
My guess is this was set up by Trump's cabinet - the Bolton fans.
I don't think Trump wants this. His reaction so far has been pretty restrained. But he's going to be under tremendous pressure from the oil bosses. And they are more that rich enough to beat down a lesser billionaire like Trump.

We'll very soon know where this is all going. My guess would be a Russia/Chinese intervention against the U.S. and Saudi Arabia (and Britain),. And an invitation to Canada, among others, to join the forces of Christian virtue. And Trump will cave in.

This is very, very dangerous.

Would our best enemies play friends to support the war industries?
 

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Right now, these are unanswerable questions. The important point is that there is no possible reason for Iran to have carried out that attack. It does nothing, nothing watever towards militarily weakening the Saudis - and less t han that to weakening the US. And note that the U.S. immediately put the blame on Iran - so immediately that the U.S. cannot possibly have known who did it. The US hardliners want a war.

It's very hard to figure out groups like the Houthis in the middle east. Almost the whole region is packed with guerilla groups, armed with weapons from both sides, with changing objectives - the U.S. has thrown the whole middle east into a chaos which is about to become a real horror.
 

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So much for t he story about Iran attacking Saudi Arabia. That story was a lie from the start. But I wonder how many news media won't cover it.

Trump will, almost certainly, go head with savage attacks on the Iranian economy. I really don't think he wants a war. In fact,, for all this faults, he is one of the two least warlike presidents since 1945.
 

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Economic recession = war = economic recovery. This at the expense of humans and their habitations. For the profit of a dominant few, addicted to the "persistent striving of power after power".

Killing persons of all kind in all places serves the economy well. It serves human being poorly.
 

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[QUOTE="Graeme Decarie, I really don't think he wants a war. In fact,, for all this faults, he is one of the two least warlike presidents since 1945.
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Ive noticed that about Trump too.
 
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