Free speech, weaponized words, and nuisance by-laws

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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
She was rather aggressive. I know someone like that and we're no longer friends because it's not just the big issues she's like that with - it's everything that annoys her.

But in terms of the anti-abortion protestors, they were in front of her store. And it obviously was something she felt they had no business doing there - she felt they were propagating an abusive message - and she chased them away. I heard a woman thank her.
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You do know the vernacular life annoys many folk ...
 
If anti-abortion protesters can exercise their freedom of expression, so can the store owner. If one side wants to shame women who get abortions, the other side can shame those who would shame women for a painful decision.

This display is absolutely textbook. It's how it should be done.

That said, I might choose to "join" the anti-abortion protesters, but take it one step further. That's more my thing, but for most people, this is something they can do.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I'm actually on this woman's side. I understand why she was angry over this.

She just happened to remind me of someone who'd developed anger management issues over everything to the point she became abusive over very small issues.
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Anger and fear can cause great issues of divination and opening of schisms ... like sticks where water catches up in the rain forests ...
 
Luce NDs said:
Anger and fear can cause great issues of divination and opening of schisms ... like sticks where water catches up in the rain forests ...
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Kimmo ... call me a crotchety and grumpy old man that would like to act out a case with Anne Margaret! Carnal Knowledge would be a good stretch ...
 
I have been disavowed by several pious folk devoted to emotional behaviour and irrationality ... and due to:

Disavow --- deny any responsibility or support for.​

I am thus out of the established circle and thus in a hell of a state as exposed to a lot of mysterious and unknown knowledge that is often far from carnal. It is said that if one knows some carnal knowledge that they could escape their non earthy states of Eire/air/no matter where the ruach wind blows ...

I have a torch to carry out there ... alas few can see me due to the ultimate condition (ultimate related to distance) ... thus I go as unseen ad continuum! Thus the religious have no responsibility and care for me ... no matter how strange I appear. Does that go contrary to biblical stories about concern with all things and questions about it? If everything is God ... is that a dark icon ??

There are even some definitions that say intelligence is beyond us at the core ... a capitalist error that also leaves Sophy out there too? Is there dark "nus" hidden there for irrational twitterfolk?

Multiple etude of the deep and dark past extends in my case ... people appear to be suffering naivete for an extended time ... like donkeys jousting against the winds? Could be a literary device ...

As Thomas Moore said ... somehow attached to "g" or gama ... which may have been a beamer missing a spark at the time ... thus unseen lights ... on the side of essence ... perhaps something else if you believe in essence! Could be a devoid means of meditation ... hairy, Harry or bauld ...
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Was it some whacked conspiracy theory crap?
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Just Free 'Speech' ... with no speech? If I was to come across this scenario in the public square I would be more than a little befuddled ... and that is why I did not add any comment ... what would you think if you were walking down the street and came across this pop-up theatre ... kind of have to experience it without my comment just as you would if you were on that street at the time ....

And this is the official narrative ...
  • In response to a nationwide Planned Parenthood protest on April 23, 2016 members of The Satanic Temple of Detroit crashed the event dressed in bondage fetish wear, baby masks and diapers and engaged in group flagellation.
  • The performers were then painted gold by adoring fetal idolizers. The action was intended to expose fetal idolatry and the perpetuation of fictional, coercive propaganda against the reproductive health organization.
  • The Satanic Temple (TST) believes that the anti-choice movement’s obsession with and mischaracterization of the fetus obscures medical reality and a woman’s constitutional right to choice.
  • Enlarged images of fetuses no larger than an inch and the personalization of mindless, senseless human embryos elevates the fetus to the status of a demigod.
  • The strategy of elevating tiny human embryos and fetuses to a reverence creates a fantasy in which the maternal body is both erased and criminalized.
An interview with their spokesperson:

 
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chansen said:
I don't even know what I watched there.

I'm starting to agree that the posting of videos with no supporting information, exchange of ideas or agreement is just a crappy thing to do.
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Can’t agree more. My hunch is that those two women were allergic to milk.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Can’t agree more. My hunch is that those two women were allergic to milk.
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The members of the Satanic Temple of Detroit were simulating water-boarding to “illustrate the theocratic agenda imposed upon female bodies.” The milk symbolized breast milk, one of the protest organizers explained on Facebook. Jex Blackmore
 
chansen said:
I thought that was brilliant. Verbally abuse them until they leave.
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I truly believe that anti abortionists on average have their heart in a good place....they want to save the unborn, I see nothing wrong with that. Of course its pointed out that there is not always follow up to caring for the women or the unborn if they succeed in convincing the woman to not abort.
I am pro choice, but pro abortionists should also become more aware of knowing if a woman really wants to keep the baby but have no clue how that could happen without support and opt for abortion out of desperation.
It would be more beautiful if we all worked together and listen to the women and treat each one as individuals rather than being played by either side as if each side is more credible than the other.
 
I missed why, exactly, they were standing in front of her shop? If it was personal, against a choice she or one of her staff made, would that constitute harassment?
 
All things amounting to nothing should be harassed in a disturbed environment of hate ... where love is missing a distinct missing essence! A mire phantom of thought ...
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I missed why, exactly, they were standing in front of her shop? If it was personal, against a choice she or one of her staff made, would that constitute harassment?
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I think it was location, presumably near a clinic of some sort. Her pizza shop just happens to be near. I just looked at the map and there's a pile of medical clinics in the neighbourhood; no suggestion that any of them are family planning clinics.
 
Waterfall said:
It would be more beautiful if we all worked together and listen to the women and treat each one as individuals rather than being played by either side as if each side is more credible than the other.
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The group with the signs are classless a**holes who aren't there to reduce abortions, as the restaurant owner demonstrated with her line of questioning. They aren't for the more comprehensive sex ed curriculum, and they're not handing out condoms. They aren't there to help women have children. They are religious nutjobs who feel like they have some righteous duty to make sure babies are born no matter what, by any means.
 
chansen said:
The group with the signs are classless a**holes who aren't there to reduce abortions, as the restaurant owner demonstrated with her line of questioning. They aren't for the more comprehensive sex ed curriculum, and they're not handing out condoms. They aren't there to help women have children. They are religious nutjobs who feel like they have some righteous duty to make sure babies are born no matter what, by any means.
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Thus inflation of the populace until none knows whats going on in the concept of ... dilution theory!

Some still do not believe the metaphor of water is not connected to the darker side of soul ... tis enough to make me weep ... even if I declare I don;t know nothing ... it just isn't there for me ... it went beyond the four wall approach! --- Jim be Reeved!
 
We can bicker over whether or not the shop owner was too verbally aggressive and rude, and whose free speech rights prevail in the above scenario...but it’s really not about that. This is where it gets real...6 states have passed archaic anti-abortion laws...and not just making it illegal to get one...but in Georgia, now, a bill was passed and they could soon begin charging women who have abortions with first degree murder, and anyone who assists...doctors, midwives...anyone who helps them to have an abortion, drives them to the clinic -accessories to murder. And even charging women who have miscarriages that were found to be self induced (so miscarriages would need to be investigated, women would probably be interrogated), to be charged with second degree murder (after potentially risking her own life). It’s terrifying. That’s what those protestors can lead to...with their “free speech”...and so I’m not so sure it’s a very well meaning protest in the bigger picture.

This clip is Sam Seder discussing the new law in Georgia, and its implications under a Trump appointed Republican Supreme Court. The case being discussed is an 11 year old girl who was raped and became pregnant - her abuser was charged and is out on bail. If she gets an abortion past 6 weeks, she or anyone who assists her could end up charged with murder and accessory to murder. That is why that woman - the shop owner - was righteously pissed off. Because Georgia is what happens when it’s just mischaracterized as a free speech issue, a matter of opinion only, and reduced to who’s being rude to whom. It’s much bigger than that. It’s handmaid’s tale s**t.

 
Mendalla said:
Does this by-law restrict free speech
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Yes and no.

It restricts speech but no more so than holding people responsible for shouting fire in a crowded theatre when there is, in fact, no fire at all.

In that, it establishes that the "free" is not absolute freedom and that we, as a society, expect public discourse to be responsible. Libel laws already exist to ensure that speech is truthful. Nobody has absolute freedom to speak maliciously in public about anyone. The proposed by-law is an appropriately measured response to public abuse.

Mendalla said:
Is it a necessary restriction for public safety and comfort?
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I am not sure about public safety and comfort. It is necessary, apparently, for public decency.

I am confident that the pair believe themselves to be mere prophets. I expect that is very much how they want to be perceived and those who agree with their particular message may be inclined to elevate them to prophet status.

I don't see them as being particularly prophetic. Spectacularly abusive? Sure.

I continue to be baffled and amazed by Christians who, having the whole New Testament and the Gospel of God's grace before them to preach and proclaim are more attracted to preaching hell-fire and condemnation.

Who can read the exhortation to preach compassionately and in love and believe verbal harangues and abuse are equivalent to love and compassion.

Who believe that they can accost a stranger at any moment without making any effort to know who the stranger is or what the stranger has gone through and that will unfailingly be accepted as gentleness and kindness.

Mendalla said:
Abusing random passers-by and generally making public areas less comfortable and, potentially, less safe is an abuse of free speech so I see no reason Council should not be able to put some controls around it. They can preach all they like in a church (if they can find one that will take them, see the article above) or other venue or they can preach in public but refrain from targetted attacks on specific female passers-by. Either of those would not violate the by-law.
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Amen.
 
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