Election Wonderpoll 2019

Who are you intending to vote for on October 21?

  • Bloc Quebecois (okay, I think mgagnon is the Quebecer on here but, hey, for c

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Conservative Party of Canada

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Liberal Party of Canada

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • New Democratic Party

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • People's Party of Canada

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Other (discuss below)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .

Luce NDs

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Democratic enrichment? That would harass the party that supports government by the few!

Do unknown operations fit in as things to be ignored? Thus the mind is excluded as we tend to often think blindly ...

Mind is a strange cognate ... for when the other metaphor goes negative in a wave of optional functions ... it becomes increasingly mysterious when the hart runs all over it ...

Which is more independant?
 

Mendalla

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How is it in Canada with funding? In Germany, parties that make it into the Parliament do get money , I believe according to the amount of votes they received.
The short version is: It's complicated.


Basically we had a per vote subsidy for a while but Harper scrapped it. So most party funding comes from private donations. I believe corporations are still banned from making direct donations (that was brought in by Chretien) so it's all personal now. However, donations to registered parties are tax-deductible so there is some public support that way. The Wiki article above gives all the gory details.
 
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I'm having trouble finding dates for the remainder of the debates. 2 are on Oct 7 (English) and 10th (French). Isn't there 1 more?
 

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Basically we had a per vote subsidy for a while but Harper scrapped it.
This annoyed me considerably. I lived in a riding where my vote was essentially wasted. There was no way that my riding would ever vote in the candidate I supported. Knowing the party got some funding for my vote helped me to feel my vote was not a complete waste.
 

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This kind of thing gives me hope. A grassroots movement to counter the nonsense. Of course my cynical side says the powers that be will discredit and silence these voices. :(
What else is great power to do but stifle the nous ... thus nothing NU is learned and extends to paranoia ... and we fear ourselves as consequence ... but don;t say it!
 

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What else is great power to do but stifle the nous ... thus nothing NU is learned and extends to paranoia ... and we fear ourselves as consequence ... but don;t say it!
Thus defining ineffable as if you didn't know that was indelible ... and also quite darker than brownface ... if you've had your head showed intuit!

Some sage once said we live in a large Black Hole ... so look out!
 

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This is the worst election in Canadian history. The Liberals and Conservatives (the only parties that can win) have nothing of any substance. The Conservatives are the obvious tools of the very wealthy. liberals are just less obvious. The NDP is way short of the old CCF. The Greens are well intentioned but have a long way yet to develop.

And we probably have much, much less time than we think we do. It was about thirty years ago that we first were warned about the death of this planet. We have done virtually nothing. The Liberals now tell us they were set a target of 1950. Very nice. That's 30 years. And where have the Liberals been for the last thirty?
 

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Don't overlook the Rhinoceros Party of Canada. o_O

They are running Maxime Bernier (RPC) against Maxime Bernier (PPC) in the latter's riding of Beauce.
They present a spirited web site where they list their number one priorities and showcase their candidates across Canada.

Seriously.
 

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Don't overlook the Rhinoceros Party of Canada. o_O

They are running Maxime Bernier (RPC) against Maxime Bernier (PPC) in the latter's riding of Beauce.
They present a spirited web site where they list their number one priorities and showcase their candidates across Canada.

Seriously.

Don't get too serious ... life is not that well installed in the edifice ... being a temporal dissociation from what's an odd image to some! One has to be separated from the throng to see what's within as a recessed character development!

That's the backup Buddha ... hind end to wit!

In the cellars of all institutions ... there be BONES!
 

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We had all five of the candidates for our riding at a "100 debates on the environment" last night in our sanctuary. As always, mention of holy manners helps.

Conservatives have a credible candidate, a 3-time city councilor, who spoke in nice platitudes, didn't stray from the party line, didn't mention Scheer or the Cons as a party much. The PP candidate was a bumbling idiot who rather went on about controlling immigration, rather ironically, I thought, as name and accent identified him as first gen, probably Eastern European. The Liberal candidate is a weak one; the Liberal Party in this area are a bunch of idiots (a quote from an insider); nice guy, probably a great dentist, lousy speaker, and not good at extemperaneous responses. NDP have same candidate as they ran in provincial election; nice guy, a legit worker and union steward type, smart, pretty articulate, but quite frankly, a bit union-y rah rah, which doesn't go over well in this riding (huge rural portion, no industry to speak of, light union presence, some of it actively not useful). Star, not only in my own opinion, was Green Party candidate. Local high school teacher. Smart, articulate, great at extemperaneous responses, physics teacher who teaches the real current subject, living commitment to the "green" cause/party.

I will note, that in true Barrie fashion, all five candidates were male Caucasian, only one a person of colour.
 

mgagnonlv

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I'm not sure I am the only Quebecer on board but we aren't that many! And I don't vote Bloc québécois.

I will vote NDP like the last 20-25 years or so, but for the first time in many years it won't be a vote for NDP as a vote against the others.

Ever since Marc Lalonde left the political scene in 1984, our riding was Liberal, albeit with short majorities. And it turned Progressive Conservative for 4 years in 1988 and NDP with Thomas Mulcair from 2007 to 2018. We now have a Liberal who was elected in February 2019 and whom I have never seen active in the riding. Unfortunately, she will win with a comfortable margin but not a landslide (say 38-45 %).

The second and third contenders, likely to win about 20% of the votes are Andrea Clarke (NDP) who works for a community organisation and supports quite a few others, and Daniel Green (Green) who has been for quite a long time involved in environmental issues. He is less involved nowadays, either because environment is "too commonplace" nowadays or because he is getting older and if he were to win, he would be a good asset nationally but not locally. On the contrary, Ms. Clarke might not be the best asset nationally, but she could be great locally, especially for the poorer sections of our riding. But would she actually be a good MP? And most importantly, I'm probably losing my vote anyways.

Conservatives are good contenders around Québec City and the Saguenay (± 200 km), but they hover below 15% elsewhere in Québec and especially in the Montréal and Gatineau area. And with the latest non-stands of Andrew Scheer, they are likely to lose many ridings to the Bloc.

As for the Bloc québécois, they aren't relevant in West End Montréal and Gatineau areas, but elsewhere they could get a lot of ridings on October 21st. Why?
– The current leader is doing a wonderful job, I have to admit.
– They won 10 ridings last time and at least 8 of them were wonderful on the local scene. Especially in outlying regions where local candidates count.
– For many, the Bloc is a refuge, just like the Western Canada Concept, Reform Party and Canadian Alliance were. In fact, if Brian Mulroney and his team had been as successful in bringing the Bloc on board as they were when they brought the Progressive conservative on board with the Canadian Alliance, the Bloc would have imploded, the 1995 referendum would have been won with 60-65% (pro-Canada, I mean) and we would be somewhere else.
– Trudeau literally hopes that the Conservatives won't collapse, because splitting votes between Conservatives and Blocs would allow many Liberals to go through.

Note. Amusing fact:
Between 2012 and 2015, three party leaders were housed in ridings that touch each other:
– Justin Trudeau (L) in Papineau
– Thomas Mulcair (NDP) in Outremont
– Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) in Laurier–Sainte-Marie (he lost his riding in 2011 but was still campaigning to regain his former seat in 2015).
 

mgagnonlv

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Don't overlook the Rhinoceros Party of Canada. o_O

They are running Maxime Bernier (RPC) against Maxime Bernier (PPC) in the latter's riding of Beauce.
They present a spirited web site where they list their number one priorities and showcase their candidates across Canada.
Name confusion would be an issue in an urban riding, but not in the Beauce. The main issue is that people in the Beauce would generally agree with many of his "traditional Libertarian" ideas but not with his recent ones. Generally, people in the Beauce are pro free-enterprise and against state controls and measures, but they also are wishy-washy on farming quotas (urban vs rural split), pro immigration (generally) and pro-choice.

The main menace to Maxime Bernier (PPC) is Richard Lehoux (C), former mayor of a city (Saint-Georges ?) who is also liked in the riding and who is also pro-choice, pro farming quotas and still pro free-entreprise. But if Andrew Scheer continues to stumble, votes might go to other candidates (including a few votes for Rhinos) simply out of despair.
 

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I am tentatively throwing down with the NDP. Like the local candidate, like Singh, can live with their platform. Latest numbers suggest the Liberal incumbent isn't going anywhere so there's no point in voting strategically (not that I ever do these days).
 

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Hey, I learned how to perma-manage my nightmare hair from Jagmeet the other day (his Youtube tutorial on how to manage your hair under your turban), but I'm sticking with Green, here. I've been watching the signs here and think BSOM might be a true swing riding. More Green signs than Blue, most areas that I drive around, almost no NDP signs, a fair # of Lib signs, but I think that candidate's s a clear dud, supported by word on the street. All candidates meetings have been well attended and have favoured Green candidate, who is, relatively, and perhaps even potentially actually, VERY good.
 

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And I have the old guy convinced as well, and transported to the polls, and every vote counts. Also my daughter, I assume.
 

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Hey, I learned how to perma-manage my nightmare hair from Jagmeet the other day (his Youtube tutorial on how to manage your hair under your turban), but I'm sticking with Green, here. I've been watching the signs here and think BSOM might be a true swing riding. More Green signs than Blue, most areas that I drive around, almost no NDP signs, a fair # of Lib signs, but I think that candidate's s a clear dud, supported by word on the street. All candidates meetings have been well attended and have favoured Green candidate, who is, relatively, and perhaps even potentially actually, VERY good.
Our Green candidate has had three chances now (IIRC) federally and provincially and the party has not budged from fourth place. The only time they had significant showing here was the year May herself ran in my riding in a by-election and she got soundly trounced by the Liberals (admittedly, the Libs ran a prominent local activist who had a strong following even outside politics). At least the NDP has shown some life in London, holding one riding in the East consistently for a decade or more and cracking mine in the last provincial election. I haven't necessarily given up on the Greens completely, but they do need a new candidate in my riding and the NDP may actually have a ghost of a chance.
 
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