Canada Votes, 2019

Luce NDs

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Nothing more of a crisis than a powerful leader giving what powerful corruption can lead them into ... eM! IntoeM?
 
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May had a neonazi in her party, by mistake. Because she wasn’t screened, her environmentalism, of course, wouldn’t have been a red flag in itself. So that leaves Singh, as far as I’m concerned.
 

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The most recent polls (the most recent I've seen being taken just as the "scandal" was breaking - still have the Liberals and Conservatives basically tied in popular vote (I saw one poll that had the Liberals 3 points ahead, but that was the biggest gap) but with the Liberals having a big advantage in seat projections. The NDP seemed to be establishing itself ahead of the Greens, but still below its normal standing. It will be interesting to see if that moves at all in the next few days. If I were placing a bet I'd guess that some votes would move from the Liberals to the NDP, but who knows.
 

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Not a big surprise the conservatives leaked the video. Even if not in election campaign time, I think a PM having that stuff out there is a problem though.
Again, my assumption based on how I am seeing the video, but I feel like calling it brownface and not blackface is softening what occurred. The historical context of blackface is different.
 
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Are you seriously suggesting that neonazis are involved with the recent Trudeau stuff?
Sorry if that’s how you interpreted that. I thought I was being clearer. No, not at all. I’m suggesting all the others have (May, I believe out of naïveté and not ill will) besides Singh. And these leaks of Trudeau’s behaviours were racist mocking long before he was in politics - but not motivated by neonazis ideology that’s gotten into present politics...but rather by privilege and ignorance.

I’m saying neonazis ideology not ignorant blackface/ or brownface costumes, are the worst of the worst dangerous racism...and Scheer has entertained that base, and quite obviously so has Bernier.


I will be voting NDP at this point.
 
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Northwind

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Thank you for your explanation.

Sorry if that’s how you interpreted that.
Please know that this isn't an apology. You don't apologize for my response. A good apology would say something like "I'm sorry I wasn't clear" .

I do agree, I believe his behaviour shows his privilege and ignorance. I hope he starts walking the walk with regards to his apparent desire to make things better for the groups he says he wants to help. He's done a lot of talking so far, with little good action to back it up.
 
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Thank you for your explanation.



Please know that this isn't an apology. You don't apologize for my response. A good apology would say something like "I'm sorry I wasn't clear" .

I do agree, I believe his behaviour shows his privilege and ignorance. I hope he starts walking the walk with regards to his apparent desire to make things better for the groups he says he wants to help. He's done a lot of talking so far, with little good action to back it up.
Wtf? I was saying I didn’t intend it to be interpreted that way. I am sorry for wording it poorly so that it wasn’t clear. I didn’t realize it would be taken that way. Aside...please stop speaking so high handedly. You now know I didn’t mean to communicate what came through...you don’t need to wrap my knuckles again and teach me a little lesson. I realize I’m your pet peeve, but please stop it. I’m not someone with power you are criticizing.
 

Northwind

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It was just feedback. That's all. I'm treading carefully and am feeling cranky today. I would have given that feedback to anyone.
 

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I hope all of this leads to a more open discussion about racism and causes the prime minister to fully engage with Bill 21 as something that belongs in the era of 20 years ago.....take this opportunity Justin.....engage against THIS RACISM NOW!
 

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“The biggest influence in my life is my mother. As a kid, she taught me that we are all connected. That we are all one. She explained to me that if one person is suffering, then we are all suffering.”

“I’ve always been an activist. The philosophy of Ik Oankaar (there is BUT one God), the idea that we’re all one connected energy, regardless of gender or sexuality – we’re all equal. And not just people, but it also connects us to the planet too. So we don’t have the right to exploit it or live in a way that is unsustainable. Encouraging society to be fair and equitable. It all falls from that same philosophy.”
His message is sincerely worth fighting for.
Courage and Love ...
 

Northwind

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I just saw Trudeau's recent apology on the news. He does appear more contrite than I've seen before.
 

Mrs.Anteater

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I had to look this up on wiki- didn’t know “blackface” was actually a historical thing other than making your face black.
Nothing that was known in my generation in Europe. Is this actually something people learn here in Canada? I don’t think my son would know know any of this from high school.
 

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Honetly, I would rather have Trudeau apologize for buying a pipeline, not introducing proportional elections and not having provided the benefits for families he is suggesting now during the time he has already been in power.
 

ChemGal

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I had to look this up on wiki- didn’t know “blackface” was actually a historical thing other than making your face black.
Nothing that was known in my generation in Europe. Is this actually something people learn here in Canada? I don’t think my son would know know any of this from high school.
Not as well known as in the US.
Many of the cartoons I watched when young certainly took many cues from it. I was young, and didn't pick up on it at the time and never really associated them with being black, although looking back now it's very obvious.

Chemguy has mentioned to me the crows in Dumbo as well.
Swing dance actually probably really exposed me to it in an educational way directly first.

The first time I heard of someone getting in trouble for dressing up in blackface, that's actually what I was expecting. I was a little thrown when it had turned out they had dressed up as someone who was black and not the racist caricature that I was expecting.

In general there are other black stereotypes that I was unaware of for a long time, but when pointed out I could connect to things from when I was young. There are probably many I was unaware of. Some of these examples would be grape soda, corn and watermelon. Lots of cartoons with eating the corn with typewriter noises, spitting watermelon seeds, etc.
 

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In school, when it came to learning about racist issues I don't really much covering Black aspects.
The things that stand out from the curriculum when I was there - Aboriginal issues, Chinese head tax, Japanese internment camps.
Internationally - Roma & calling them gypsies (I actually think it gave me a biased view about some of the current issues when I first heard about them, I brushed others off as being racist), Maori, and the Holocaust concerning Jews was covered heavily, a bit of some of the other targeted groups mentioned mostly as a side note.
 
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