Abortion law changes and challenges

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It appears the big issue is to get taken to court over the new law. Then to get it bumped to the Supreme Court in Ann effort to have the court overturn the old Roe vs Wade law

Of course that could result in the USA becoming like us, with no abortion law at all. And then I would guess the states cold go wild with new laws

Our abortion case that went to the Supreme Court and was struck down , has given us no law. because we have then relied on the medical profession to police itself, no law exists and while abortions are given on demand, they fall within medically accepted time limits

It would seem that if Roe vrs Wade is struck down it will be chaos as they end up wth 50 different systems
 
I think the various laws are different but I think Alabama is going to charge doctors, not women
They can’t charge out of state doctors, though. If they charge women whom they found out had an abortion, instead, (somebody snitches and they are investigated?) when they return from out of state that makes a bad law far worse.

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In Alabama women can be charged for self induced abortions / if miscarriages were found to be deliberate. That could mean if somebody doesn’t just sit as a lady in waiting for 9 months, and something accidental or random brings on a miscarriage - depending on the judge, she could be potentially charged with a serious crime, for say, excercising too hard.



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BUt that is speculation and so I wouldn’t get worried about that. There are enough actual rules to worry about
 
In Alabama women can be charged for self induced abortions / if miscarriages were found to be deliberate.

I suspect this is them targetting mifepristone and similar more than anything. You can't really charge the doctor if the woman requested and took the drug knowingly.
 
Yeah, but, unfortunately, I could see some abusive boyfriend using that angle - either to punish the woman for aborting a fetus knowingly, or trying to make a case that she shouldn’t have done xyz while pregnant.

This law was invented by abusive men, so I don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine worst case scenarios like that coming up more frequently than anyone considered might happen. The “well meaning” abortion protestors, I don’t think, considered how far this could go.



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Yeah, but, unfortunately, I could see some abusive boyfriend using that angle - either to punish the woman for aborting a fetus knowingly, or trying to make a case that she shouldn’t have done xyz while pregnant.

This law was invented by abusive men, so I don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine worst case scenarios like that coming up more frequently than anyone considered might happen. The “well meaning” abortion protestors, I don’t think, considered how far this could go.



In the USA I don’t think you can say these law changes are made by men. In the case of Alabama, the change is widely supported by women and the governor is female

I think we honestly don’t appreciate how divisive this subject is in the USA. My sister in law has cousins in Michigan. They love trump. Because he is going to ban abortion. That is all they care about

According to my sister in law, they don’t care he lies, he cheats, he has been married three times. They sincerely believe he is going to repeal abortion. They think, if he can’t get the Supreme Court to do it eh will simply ban it in a presidential order. I honestly don’t know if that is possible under their constitution but they sure think it is. My sister in law says it is oddly scary to talk to her cousins now

This is a highly divisive topic, and I actually think input from us or Hollywood is backfiring. You get the « don’t let those socialists tell me what to do » attitude
 
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I think you can at least say this law gives men more power and control over women...so if women helped pass it, it was at the behest, somewhere along the line - of abusive men. I do not think this law, and misogyny, can be separated.

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I'm not following the details - it's the US and I just don't see the point of wasting my energy on it. I do see information, I'm just not seeking it out/paying close attention to all the details that do get brought up.
It's so f***ing backwards and not much can be done about it from here.

I just hope things don't go backwards in Canada, although even if they do likely in a less extreme way. We need better access though, not worse.
 
There's a politician in Ontario (odd sort, 20-something, homeschooled), a fav of Doug Ford's. Sam Oorf, something, was given a cabinet position, and openly suggests that abortion should be illegal in his lifetime.

People saying this kind of thing without public horror, NORMALIZES it.
 
I think it's good to stay aware of it and where it goes.


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I agree, but I feel like when it comes to really following the details, there's enough people already doing that, especially who are in the US and sharing that with others. My energy is going to different things.
So not head in the sand, but much more focused on other issues.
 
BetteTheRed said:
There's a politician in Ontario (odd sort, 20-something, homeschooled), a fav of Doug Ford's. Sam Oorf, something, was given a cabinet position, and openly suggests that abortion should be illegal in his lifetime.

Sam Oosteroff is the doofus you are thinking of.

He's had quite a week.

His staff called police on silently protesting seniors.

And then he attended the forced birth rally.
 
Life is to be forced on people even for those that don;t like the industrial-military complex that favours life so they can win at the expenses of the loser's details ...

Sends some into the Vail's of depression to see the chaos of life that is passed off as an ordered litigy ... that's the law presented on Sunday Morning disguised as liturgy! Thus we a veiled when facing truth ... just can't see the unbalance in the onus!
 
Northwind said:
Dare I ask about the forced birth rally?

If you are anti-abortion you are pro-forced birth.

Pro-life concerns extend past gestation and delivery. I'll use that term when I see something wholistic.

Until then it is about forcing women to give birth and little else.
 
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