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  1. chansen

    Lets Talk about the Holy Spirit

    That's how you present the Holy Spirit - three things in one. There is no serious discussion about the Holy Spirit possible, because it's ill-defined on purpose. Nobody has ever made sense of it, and that's supposed to be the mystery of it. I have fun with the concept. I especially enjoyed...
  2. chansen

    Lets Talk about the Holy Spirit

    While I'm thinking about this, you also want to seize on anything that comes in threes. Things like three leaf clovers, triangles, three strikes and you're out, celebrity deaths and the Three Stooges are all good ones. Weave them into the sermon as metaphors because people will fixate on the...
  3. chansen

    Lets Talk about the Holy Spirit

    God is a "he", the Holy Spirit is a "he"...it's all about men's views already. It's a total sausage fest, because no woman would be so ridiculous as to write this stuff.
  4. chansen

    Lets Talk about the Holy Spirit

    It's the same con as when a salesman explains complicated technology to you that he himself does not understand, but attempts to wow you with. If you want to participate in the con, wax poetically about the role of the Holy Spirit in your life, but honour tradition by being purposefully vague in...
  5. chansen

    Do We Need Sacred Things to Be Human?

    We made all the gods. When "the gods" say something is taboo, that's either one (usually) man's dislike, or a cultural disapproval. Sometimes at the cost of another group or culture. We create our own ethics and morals, hopefully using empathy and experience. We need to see things from the...
  6. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    Bible not insane enough? Felt you needed a new belief challenge?
  7. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    You just described the plot for the move "Truman".
  8. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    If at first you don't succeed, get a virgin pregnant?
  9. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    That's not about cell resurrection. That's about new cell growth. In this metaphor, Jesus doesn't come back to life. God knocks up Mary again.
  10. chansen

    Leaving Wondercafe2--The End Run

    I'm about to go to the washroom. Could you disable my account for 5 minutes?
  11. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    Like many similar clubs across the Western world, this “atheist church” aims to offer some features of a religious congregation (fellowship, collective enjoyment, a stimulus to moral behaviour) while eschewing any belief in a deity or the supernatural. I'm struggling to see your point here.
  12. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    Second, the researchers found that American “nones”—those who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular—are more religious than European nones. The notion that religiously unaffiliated people can be religious at all may seem contradictory, but if you disaffiliate from organized...
  13. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    Sensationalist headline. Read the article. Headline should read, "Nones Are Sometimes More Religious Than Christians"
  14. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    Similarly, there are two standard types of diabetes.
  15. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    That's it, try the equivalence angle again. It works great. I'm totally like the nutbars telling people they're going to hell. You have a massive problem, and it's your fellow Christians. They are making a laughingstock of your faith far more effectively than I am. You just want me to be nicer...
  16. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    How many mystery novels do you devote one morning per week discussing? I don't have an issue with taking it as fiction. It's Harry Potter for a different age, and that's fine. But we've always got the problem of people insisting that it's true. And that means when God is being a dick, they...
  17. chansen

    Let's talk about the Resurrection

    Art and literature are ways to express an idea or thought, or simply beauty in the eyes of the right person. Religion tells us what *is*. If you ignore that bit and reduce religion to art and literature, then sure, it's art and literature. The problem seems to be when you think the literature is...
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