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Jae said:
Let's consider Galatians 5:19-21 (emphasis mine), "And the works of the flesh be open, which be fornication, uncleanness, unchastity, lechery, serving to idols, witchcrafts, enmities, strives, indignations, wraths, chidings, dissensions, sects, envies, manslayings, drunken-nesses, gluttonies, and like things to these, which I say to you before, as I have told to you before, for they that do such things, shall not have the kingdom of God." (WYC)

Witches, as spoken of in Exodus 22:18, tried to use sorcery to tamper with supernatural powers. According to the Galatians passage, those who engage in such tampering won’t inherit God’s kingdom. God’s judgment will come upon them for doing such things. The thing is Pavlos, while the Bible makes it clear that God is loving, it also portrays God as holy and unable to abide with sin. All who engage in such activities as witchcraft, suggests Galatians, can’t inherit heaven and rescue.
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You do realize you have just shown that god isn't love don't you. If it cant abide sin then it is not all loving. The two are mutually exclusive. Think on that before making another statement.

Nobody engages in such act, it's just hate speak.

You are far to far gone.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
All irrelevant if you haven't comprehended it. It is either that or you are prevaricating. Especially if as you say, you have preached it.
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No offence, but when it comes to whether or not I've comprehended it, I'll take the granting of my degree by my seminary over your word.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
You do realize you have just shown that god isn't love don't you. If it cant abide sin then it is not all loving. The two are mutually exclusive. Think on that before making another statement.
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Not quite sure what you're on about there Pavlos. That God loves everyone doesn't necessarily mean that God loves everything.

Pavlos Maros said:
Nobody engages in such act, it's just hate speak.
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As you know, we were speaking of biblical times.

Pavlos Maros said:
You are far to far gone.
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Too far gone in loving God to turn back.
 
Jae said:
Not quite sure what you're on about there Pavlos. That God loves everyone doesn't necessarily mean that God loves everything.
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You do believe your god is omni-benevolant, don't you. Which means all loving, not somethings loved and other not. That's like saying god is omnipotent but there is something he cant do. How stupid.
Jae said:
As you know, we were speaking of biblical times.
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Completely irrelevant. Good and bad hasn't changed, are you trying to claim that they knew no better then. That is a rather cynical way to look at the people back then.
Anyway christians are still killing children they claim are witches. Because of the bible, as said, it is hate speak and an incitement to violence.
If it wasn't in the book then people would not have the biblical justification to do it.

Branded and beaten

The children accused of witchcraft and murder
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
www.nbcnews.com

African churches denounce children as ‘witches’

An increasing number of children in Africa have been accused of witchcraft by pastors and then tortured or killed, often by family members.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

And enough already with your evil justifications.
I asked you to think on that before making another statement.
Thank you.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
You do believe your god is omni-benevolant, don't you. Which means all loving, not somethings loved and other not. That's like saying god is omnipotent but there is something he cant do. How stupid.
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There are things that God can't do - because of who God is. That's the topic of this thread. For example, God can't act against God's basic character.

Pavlos Maros said:
Anyway christians are still killing children they claim are witches. Because of the bible, as said, it is hate speak and an incitement to violence.
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Or at least it seems that a very few people calling themselves Christians are doing that.

Pavlos Maros said:
If it wasn't in the book then people would not have the biblical justification to do it.
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They don't have the biblical justification to do so. They may feel like they do. However, they do not. I've already shared with you on witchcraft in the Bible. I note that you opted to share not one word on what I offered. I find that sad.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I do not understand this God is Not stuff.

I don't understand "gaps" - places where Godde is not. If Godde is everything, then Godde is everywhere.
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Is this maybe the abyss we're in because of the immaterial moved on? That should set fire to something initiated in the Egyptian vocabulary as an ideal SET ... an abstract God in the way of the land of imagination? Vocabulary ... perhaps it is portion of that unravelling power that is in depression!
 
The immaterial god cannot deal with the daemons of material god ... just too de greased so that it seizes at the thought (another attribute of the imaginary soul that is more complex than the moral version ... but for the time being we must stick to the small flow of intelligence offered ... as too much information can be ruagh ... like the winds of God are quantum ... coming out of nowhere the ancient of Deis believed! Then it was dark again ... eclipsed by the nous ... that hanging point!
 
Jae said:
There are things that God can't do - because of who God is. That's the topic of this thread. For example, God can't act against God's basic character.
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Lol. So your god, hasn't got free will.
A pretty piss poor god then.
 
Love can stun people into looking into the stars for answers for why they lost IT!

IT just goes ... at night when the dark force comes in and strips down the soul ... thus the bare soul in the dark theory!

Tis a dark mist if you ask me ... giving rise to obscurity in the vales ... it houses the abyss of curiosity! Something to be a' bridged like items in Madison County ...
 
Jae Take your foot out of you mouth and you may come up with something sensible.
Though I very much doubt it.

I feel so sorry for your fellow christians right now.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
See below for reply.

In reply to you both. Neither of you has read his bible fully, because if you had you would know that "god is love" is untrue. and your religion is nothing but hate speak, an incitement to violence. There is one thing for sure that no other belief/stance/doctrine preaches, it is only found in religion. Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. But you're of course entitled to your opinion.
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First of all, I do not "deify" the Bible, nor do I read all of it literally. I will disagree and agree with it at times. All of it's teaching set within are not absolute for me, and I don't think they were for some within the early church prior to the Bible's creation, after all it doesn't answer every question ....the body of a church should be alive and spiritually led and open for discussion and change concerning agreements and disagreements, not based on worshiping a book. Focusing more on how to love one another by being actively kind and caring towards others and to draw closer to God's kingdom on earth within a changing world. Our answers should ultimately lead to love.
That said, yes I realize there are parts of the bible that are deplorable but to me they are up for discussion and discernment and disagreement. After all it's also a history of people and we all know people are not perfect, but history shouldn't always be ignored. It's when literalists or fundamentalists think that they are not allowed to question it's content and that it is absolute or God breathed (infallible) and therefore cannot be challenged that trouble ensues IMO. There are also many beautiful parts that make sense. I find it fascinating and worthwhile, but yes, read with an intent to condemn others is wrong.
 
DaisyJane said:
Let's not start engaging in the fallacy of slinging credentials. If anything your degree should have taught you that careful exegesis is vital
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Pavlos Maros said:
Completely irrelevant. Good and bad hasn't changed, are you trying to claim that they knew no better then. That is a rather cynical way to look at the people back then.
Anyway christians are still killing children they claim are witches. Because of the bible, as said, it is hate speak and an incitement to violence.
If it wasn't in the book then people would not have the biblical justification to do it.
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The Historical Principle. As time passes, culture changes, points of view change, language changes. We must guard against interpreting scripture according to how our culture views things; we must always place scripture in its historical context.

The diligent Bible student will consider the geography, the customs, the current events, and even the politics of the time when a passage was written. An understanding of ancient Jewish culture can greatly aid an understanding of scripture. To do his research, the exegete will use Bible dictionaries, commentaries, and books on history.

The Synthesis Principle. The best interpreter of scripture is scripture itself. We must examine a passage in relation to its immediate context (the verses surrounding it), its wider context (the book it’s found in), and its complete context (the Bible as a whole). Any theological statement in one verse can and should be harmonized with theological statements in other parts of scripture.

Good Bible interpretation relates any one passage to the total content of scripture.
 
chansen said:
What's so great about your faith when it has so many jerks? Why does your faith attract so many racists? Why do so many of your faith think climate change is a scientific hoax? Why do so many of your faith want to close borders to refugees? Why do so many Christian leaders instinctively take their pants off when left alone with children?
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Perhaps its to do with projection?

i.e. I'm a bigot, racist etc -but in order to see myself as a "good" person I have to believe that my views are the views of God?

I agree that religion and social animosity can be a dangerous combination -and there are many examples of this -not just confined to the Christian religion.

But the fact remains that there are many religious folk who not only don't share that view - but actively protest and work against it. This leads me to the conclusion that other factors - like projection - are closer to the "cause".
 
But why does Christianity attract all so many jerks? Why does this symbiotic relationship between faith and idiot result in so many popular yet destructive positions the rest of us have to fight against?

You can argue that Christianity isn't racist, homophobic, anti-science, etc. (and you'll have an argument on your hands), but then you still have to explain why it's the No. 1 faith for those Canadians who are.
 
Because we're culturally Christian, historically, at least up until recently.

If we were originally colonized by an Asian culture, I suspect we'd be mainly Buddhist or Confucian. I'd be willing to hypothesize that a predictable percentage of us would still be a**holes, holding poorly-substantiated "opinions"...
 
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