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Hi Rachel. Welcome. What about when you aren't sure if the women (and men) "acting" in the porn aren't being exploited by bosses abusing power, business interests, greed of those standing to profit most from it, or are not abusing substances to get through their required work?Going to jump right on here. There is a subtext weaving through this thread, one that mirrors the views of many religions, that sex is sinful. Even the act of having sexual feelings not acted upon (The most basic meaning of lust is an unquenchable desire for sex) is sinful.
Jae posted the following earlier: “I believe that sex is for within marriage – for between a wife and her husband and shared with no one else. I see anything other than that to be against God’s design for intimacy and hence to be sinful.”
There is nothing wrong with having strong beliefs and acting accordingly. What you have to be careful of is using them to judge others. I see that happen quite a bit, probably more than many of you due to my background and experiences. Perhaps not.
My belief is somewhat different. I believe that sex is an act between two or more consenting adults regardless of their relationship(s) and to be shared as they choose. As for God’s design, I can’t speak for that – he, she, it, they have yet to share it with me. I really liked Mendalla’s earlier break down of consent. It does involve more than just the people involved in the actual act of intimacy. It involves any and all partners who might be affected as well.
A brief interjection. When discussing sex you’re going to see me use the ‘C’ word quite often. Consent. With it, sex is a wonderful thing, no matter how, or with whom, you choose to practice it. Without it is immoral and evil. That’s an absolute for me.
So, to bring this all together (for now, I have so much more to say on the subject, but I prefer bite size thoughts) As long as all the parties involved are consenting (another topic I will address at some point), I fail to see how the act of watching porn can be sinful.
A few things I am going to point out.
-As with anything, overdoing it to the point of obsession is not healthy.
-Porn often gives us unrealistic ideas and expectations that are passed on to the partner. What, you don’t like to be tied up and spanked? I see it all the time on Pornhub!
-Porn is hard on body image. Not all of us look like porn stars or ever will!
Those are a few of the cons. Now, a few of the pros.
-Not everyone has a partner and having an outlet, in the form of sexual fantasies or porn, can be helpful.
-It’s a good way to safely experiment with what might make you tick, sexually, without trying it out with a partner and suddenly realizing that it’s really not your thing.
-It’s fun. Especially if you’re watching with a partner. Nothing wrong with a little (or a lot of) kink in any relationship.
Back to the “sin” question. For me, a “sin” is an act that harms someone. I have trouble with the idea that the act of watching a porn video is harmful to most healthy adults.
As for lust, it’s perfectly natural to lust after someone. If it’s a partner, then wow, that’s awesome. You should be lusting after your partner. If it’s a hot chick/dude or a celebrity, and you keep it in the fantasy realm, ie, in your head, it’s perfectly natural and very human. Personally, the whole sin game has always felt more like a way to keep people in line. If you look at the seven deadly sins, wouldn’t you say that most of them, done in small amounts, are harmless? Sloth? Gluttony? Envy? Lust? Pride? Wrath? Lust? Some of those, if not taken to the extreme, are actually beneficial. A little pride never hurt anyone – you should take pride in something done well - and laying around slothfully on a Sunday afternoon is a great way to recharge your batteries.
Hi Rachel. Welcome. What about when you aren't sure if the women (and men) "acting" in the porn aren't being exploited by bosses, business interests, greed of those standing to profit most from it, or are not abusing substances to get through their required work?
Why?Good. Please let us try to keep the subject unconflated with other sex work (i.e. prostitution) if we can?
Going to jump right on here. There is a subtext weaving through this thread, one that mirrors the views of many religions, that sex is sinful. Even the act of having sexual feelings not acted upon (The most basic meaning of lust is an unquenchable desire for sex) is sinful.
Jae posted the following earlier: “I believe that sex is for within marriage – for between a wife and her husband and shared with no one else. I see anything other than that to be against God’s design for intimacy and hence to be sinful.”
There is nothing wrong with having strong beliefs and acting accordingly. What you have to be careful of is using them to judge others. I see that happen quite a bit, probably more than many of you due to my background and experiences. Perhaps not.
My belief is somewhat different. I believe that sex is an act between two or more consenting adults regardless of their relationship(s) and to be shared as they choose. As for God’s design, I can’t speak for that – he, she, it, they have yet to share it with me. I really liked Mendalla’s earlier break down of consent. It does involve more than just the people involved in the actual act of intimacy. It involves any and all partners who might be affected as well.
A brief interjection. When discussing sex you’re going to see me use the ‘C’ word quite often. Consent. With it, sex is a wonderful thing, no matter how, or with whom, you choose to practice it. Without it is immoral and evil. That’s an absolute for me.
So, to bring this all together (for now, I have so much more to say on the subject, but I prefer bite size thoughts) As long as all the parties involved are consenting (another topic I will address at some point), I fail to see how the act of watching porn can be sinful.
A few things I am going to point out.
-As with anything, overdoing it to the point of obsession is not healthy.
-Porn often gives us unrealistic ideas and expectations that are passed on to the partner. What, you don’t like to be tied up and spanked? I see it all the time on Pornhub!
-Porn is hard on body image. Not all of us look like porn stars or ever will!
Those are a few of the cons. Now, a few of the pros.
-Not everyone has a partner and having an outlet, in the form of sexual fantasies or porn, can be helpful.
-It’s a good way to safely experiment with what might make you tick, sexually, without trying it out with a partner and suddenly realizing that it’s really not your thing.
-It’s fun. Especially if you’re watching with a partner. Nothing wrong with a little (or a lot of) kink in any relationship.
Back to the “sin” question. For me, a “sin” is an act that harms someone. I have trouble with the idea that the act of watching a porn video is harmful to most healthy adults.
As for lust, it’s perfectly natural to lust after someone. If it’s a partner, then wow, that’s awesome. You should be lusting after your partner. If it’s a hot chick/dude or a celebrity, and you keep it in the fantasy realm, ie, in your head, it’s perfectly natural and very human. Personally, the whole sin game has always felt more like a way to keep people in line. If you look at the seven deadly sins, wouldn’t you say that most of them, done in small amounts, are harmless? Sloth? Gluttony? Envy? Lust? Pride? Wrath? Lust? Some of those, if not taken to the extreme, are actually beneficial. A little pride never hurt anyone – you should take pride in something done well - and laying around slothfully on a Sunday afternoon is a great way to recharge your batteries.
Good. Please let us try to keep the subject unconflated with other sex work (i.e. prostitution) if we can?
Good. Please let us try to keep the subject unconflated with other sex work (i.e. prostitution) if we can?
Correct. However you used two terms consent and exploitation. Could you define where one becomes the other if both have been paid for their service?DaisyJane said:I disagreed with the notion that porn=lust of the flesh. I would probably also have some issues with the notion of porn=sin, though I need a bit of time to unpack that. For me, the issue would be consent, and most particularly the consent of the people in the pornographic images. If the porn was produced without exploitation, and mutually consenting adults enjoy consuming porn, I fail to see sin.
Solely a problem of your making, as you haven't defined the above, question I posed.DaisyJane said:When I view porn I see exploited women and embodied images of male sexual fantasies.
Correct. However you used two terms consent and exploitation. Could you define where one becomes the other if both have been paid for their service?
I personally have no issues with porn or the porn industry. But I do with hypocritical statements. So with that in mind.
Correct. However you used two terms consent and exploitation. Could you define where one becomes the other if both have been paid for their service?
Solely a problem of your making, as you haven't defined the above, question I posed.
Where did we find this one? Where can we find more of her?Going to jump right on here. There is a subtext weaving through this thread, one that mirrors the views of many religions, that sex is sinful. Even the act of having sexual feelings not acted upon (The most basic meaning of lust is an unquenchable desire for sex) is sinful.
Jae posted the following earlier: “I believe that sex is for within marriage – for between a wife and her husband and shared with no one else. I see anything other than that to be against God’s design for intimacy and hence to be sinful.”
There is nothing wrong with having strong beliefs and acting accordingly. What you have to be careful of is using them to judge others. I see that happen quite a bit, probably more than many of you due to my background and experiences. Perhaps not.
My belief is somewhat different. I believe that sex is an act between two or more consenting adults regardless of their relationship(s) and to be shared as they choose. As for God’s design, I can’t speak for that – he, she, it, they have yet to share it with me. I really liked Mendalla’s earlier break down of consent. It does involve more than just the people involved in the actual act of intimacy. It involves any and all partners who might be affected as well.
A brief interjection. When discussing sex you’re going to see me use the ‘C’ word quite often. Consent. With it, sex is a wonderful thing, no matter how, or with whom, you choose to practice it. Without it is immoral and evil. That’s an absolute for me.
So, to bring this all together (for now, I have so much more to say on the subject, but I prefer bite size thoughts) As long as all the parties involved are consenting (another topic I will address at some point), I fail to see how the act of watching porn can be sinful.
A few things I am going to point out.
-As with anything, overdoing it to the point of obsession is not healthy.
-Porn often gives us unrealistic ideas and expectations that are passed on to the partner. What, you don’t like to be tied up and spanked? I see it all the time on Pornhub!
-Porn is hard on body image. Not all of us look like porn stars or ever will!
Those are a few of the cons. Now, a few of the pros.
-Not everyone has a partner and having an outlet, in the form of sexual fantasies or porn, can be helpful.
-It’s a good way to safely experiment with what might make you tick, sexually, without trying it out with a partner and suddenly realizing that it’s really not your thing.
-It’s fun. Especially if you’re watching with a partner. Nothing wrong with a little (or a lot of) kink in any relationship.
Back to the “sin” question. For me, a “sin” is an act that harms someone. I have trouble with the idea that the act of watching a porn video is harmful to most healthy adults.
As for lust, it’s perfectly natural to lust after someone. If it’s a partner, then wow, that’s awesome. You should be lusting after your partner. If it’s a hot chick/dude or a celebrity, and you keep it in the fantasy realm, ie, in your head, it’s perfectly natural and very human. Personally, the whole sin game has always felt more like a way to keep people in line. If you look at the seven deadly sins, wouldn’t you say that most of them, done in small amounts, are harmless? Sloth? Gluttony? Envy? Lust? Pride? Wrath? Lust? Some of those, if not taken to the extreme, are actually beneficial. A little pride never hurt anyone – you should take pride in something done well - and laying around slothfully on a Sunday afternoon is a great way to recharge your batteries.
Where did we find this one? Where can we find more of her?
Where did we find this one? Where can we find more of her?
I'm not social.If you really want more, she and I can probably find some. You may regret it, though.
(see Welcome thread in Social)
So inferred hate speech against Catholic Priests is acceptable then?Random gay man, for sure. Less likely to be a molester for starters. (Yes, I realize you're probably being ironic or something here, but it's also a fairly serious question for some)
So inferred hate speech against Catholic Priests is acceptable then?
I suggest that anyone who is not a direct sexual abuser is an abuser by proxy if they consent to protecting any abuser.Agreed. I was probably out of line there. At the same time, I will bet that the percentage of abusers is probably no higher and quite possibly lower in the gay male community than it is in the priesthood. And the church's continued failure to act suggests that priests who are not direct abusers are abusers by proxy due to their protection of the abusers. Bottom line is that until the church starts handing its bad eggs over to the law and the law starts acting, I would be loathe to trust a priest with a child.