blackbelt1961
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Indeed, appointing her to the question about God firstIn your opinion, would this post be an example of loving in a Godly way?
When Christian people disagree on matters of faith.
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blackbelt1961
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THIS IS SHOUTINGMaybe you need to shout a little louder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is not shouting
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blackbelt1961
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What is unreasonable not having God in your life or that he exists or that he guides and teaches which part is unreasonable I guess to somebody who doesn't believe that God exists it would be unreasonable
What is ungodly if god is: in, on, around and through all things and the gaps involved ... except when the powers of man isolate some things and negative energies and stuff gets shocking!
Separates the concept of a light of man from the light of god in ... essence?
The isolation sector will be found debatable by those at the core ... those out there in exclusion remain silent and observing ... an over the shoulder type of Shadow!
Separates the concept of a light of man from the light of god in ... essence?
The isolation sector will be found debatable by those at the core ... those out there in exclusion remain silent and observing ... an over the shoulder type of Shadow!
Seeler
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Do you find it annoying when someone opens a conversation and then doesn’t continue to participate in the discussion but seemingly disappears?
I’ve been following along in the discussion seemed to be going well but I think it’s time I jumped back in.
First of all, Luce NDs, I hope I didn’t step on your toes – after all, it was your church and I should’ve contacted you before posting; if nothing else I should have let you know my intentions.
Next, I would like to apologize for not proofreading the opening paragraph more carefully before posting. The Dragon has a mind of its own and sometimes decides to correct what I said as ifI don’t know what I’m talking about.
Third line in the post ‘A member’ not ‘The members’.
Next paragraph the line ‘ the chair of the board and the women volunteers were making out the lunches and meals for us’ should read ‘the Chair of the board, and the women volunteers who were at the church preparing the lunches and meals for us’ [nothing about ‘making out’.]
More seriously, third paragraph, second sentence should be ‘I was not there’. I didn’t witness anything. I received my information second or third hand. The Dragon doesn’t like me to make contractions. I probably dictated ‘wasn’t’ and rather than post what I said, or use ‘was not’, the Dragon decided to drop the negative and gives the false impression that I was there.
Now to answer some of your questions or respond to your comments, as I review the thread.
Since I was not directly involved, I didn’t do anything except carry on with the program. I don’t know if the police were called or if people of the host church handled it themselves. This is a small congregation in what used to be a small town that amalgamated with the city 50 years or so ago. Possibly the people making the threats and confronting church members were neighbours or at least known by the church members.
The event wasn’t highly publicized, so I doubt if anybody connected with the newspaper or radio stations was aware of it – unless it was a very slow news day. Certainly I haven’t seen anything in the local paper about it.
My concern in opening this thread is questioning why individuals or a group who claim to be Christians would have to disrupt, criticize, threaten, or harm, another group of Christians during a study session or worship service? We don’t all think alike. We are at different stages in our faith journey. We come to the faith from different backgrounds. But one would think that we would have more in common than we have differences and even when we disagree, and think some person or group is being misled, we respect their right to worship and believe as they feel called to. I can’t imagine me confronting another religious group with accusations of being influenced by Satan, and certainly not threatening to stone them, or harm them in any way.
I agree with the some others on this thread that people who do this are moved by hatred and fear – fear that those who disagree with them might actually be right and it would upset their whole understanding of the Gospel.
I used to think that the best way to respond to them was to try to talk about how we see things and try to find a common ground. When I find it impossible with certain individuals to have a respectful conversation and sharing of ideas, I find it best just to ignore them. On Wonder Café 2, I skim over or ignore their posts and try to get back to the original discussion. I don’t have the patience that Paradox has when trying to actually connect with them. I pray for them with the hope that they may see the light of God's love surrounding them and come to realize that God's love big enough to encompass many diverse people.
But ignoring people who I believe are passionately wrong, can be dangerous. It seemed that in politics in recent years. People were willing to coast along, not getting involved, not even voting in elections – believing that ‘it can’t happen here’ - but it can happen here.
I don’t like confrontation. I believe you live and let live; look for the good, cooperate, work together for the common good. But perhaps when harm is being done and violence is being threatened it is time to do more. Call the police, write letters to the leaders, join a protest; and in the meantime try to be a good neighbour.
I’ve been following along in the discussion seemed to be going well but I think it’s time I jumped back in.
First of all, Luce NDs, I hope I didn’t step on your toes – after all, it was your church and I should’ve contacted you before posting; if nothing else I should have let you know my intentions.
Next, I would like to apologize for not proofreading the opening paragraph more carefully before posting. The Dragon has a mind of its own and sometimes decides to correct what I said as ifI don’t know what I’m talking about.
Third line in the post ‘A member’ not ‘The members’.
Next paragraph the line ‘ the chair of the board and the women volunteers were making out the lunches and meals for us’ should read ‘the Chair of the board, and the women volunteers who were at the church preparing the lunches and meals for us’ [nothing about ‘making out’.]
More seriously, third paragraph, second sentence should be ‘I was not there’. I didn’t witness anything. I received my information second or third hand. The Dragon doesn’t like me to make contractions. I probably dictated ‘wasn’t’ and rather than post what I said, or use ‘was not’, the Dragon decided to drop the negative and gives the false impression that I was there.
Now to answer some of your questions or respond to your comments, as I review the thread.
Since I was not directly involved, I didn’t do anything except carry on with the program. I don’t know if the police were called or if people of the host church handled it themselves. This is a small congregation in what used to be a small town that amalgamated with the city 50 years or so ago. Possibly the people making the threats and confronting church members were neighbours or at least known by the church members.
The event wasn’t highly publicized, so I doubt if anybody connected with the newspaper or radio stations was aware of it – unless it was a very slow news day. Certainly I haven’t seen anything in the local paper about it.
My concern in opening this thread is questioning why individuals or a group who claim to be Christians would have to disrupt, criticize, threaten, or harm, another group of Christians during a study session or worship service? We don’t all think alike. We are at different stages in our faith journey. We come to the faith from different backgrounds. But one would think that we would have more in common than we have differences and even when we disagree, and think some person or group is being misled, we respect their right to worship and believe as they feel called to. I can’t imagine me confronting another religious group with accusations of being influenced by Satan, and certainly not threatening to stone them, or harm them in any way.
I agree with the some others on this thread that people who do this are moved by hatred and fear – fear that those who disagree with them might actually be right and it would upset their whole understanding of the Gospel.
I used to think that the best way to respond to them was to try to talk about how we see things and try to find a common ground. When I find it impossible with certain individuals to have a respectful conversation and sharing of ideas, I find it best just to ignore them. On Wonder Café 2, I skim over or ignore their posts and try to get back to the original discussion. I don’t have the patience that Paradox has when trying to actually connect with them. I pray for them with the hope that they may see the light of God's love surrounding them and come to realize that God's love big enough to encompass many diverse people.
But ignoring people who I believe are passionately wrong, can be dangerous. It seemed that in politics in recent years. People were willing to coast along, not getting involved, not even voting in elections – believing that ‘it can’t happen here’ - but it can happen here.
I don’t like confrontation. I believe you live and let live; look for the good, cooperate, work together for the common good. But perhaps when harm is being done and violence is being threatened it is time to do more. Call the police, write letters to the leaders, join a protest; and in the meantime try to be a good neighbour.
KayTheCurler
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There are plenty of people who would say they have God in their lives. Many of them don't believe that God exists in a material sense.
Carolla
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No - there can be many reasons for this, and I don't feel annoyed. Happens with threads I start from time to time. Some are good at sparking conversation and then are content to listen along as it unfolds. Others stay more constantly involved. People may get distracted by life & have other things needing their attention. Perhaps they grow bored with the direction of the conversation & wander off to new lands ... lots of possibilities. Perhaps they get into the zone of 'if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all' as my mom used to put it.
blackbelt1961
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KayTheCurler
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Nope. They have someone in their lives that doesn't have solid mass.
blackbelt1961
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But is actually Real , like hmmmmmm Holy Spirit ?
blackbelt1961
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I understand they have a different belief , this is a Christian forum , they debate there view I debate my biblical view can you and everybody else not respect that?
KayTheCurler
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What isn't acceptable about others recognising something like what you call Holy Spirit?
Is this really supposed to be a Christian Forum? Darn - I thought it was a Discussion Forum. Unless some Admins tell me to disappear I'm staying but don't self describe as Christian.
Is this really supposed to be a Christian Forum? Darn - I thought it was a Discussion Forum. Unless some Admins tell me to disappear I'm staying but don't self describe as Christian.
unsafe
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KayTheCurler ----your quote -----I'm staying but don't self describe as Christian.
unsafe says ----Well finally ---someone who actually says the truth ------many say they are Christians when they really aren't ---so good for you for saying otherwise --when your truly not one -----
unsafe says ----Well finally ---someone who actually says the truth ------many say they are Christians when they really aren't ---so good for you for saying otherwise --when your truly not one -----
blackbelt1961
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Nobody wants you to leave but this threat is under Church Life which was instituted by the Holy Spirit in Acts for the body of believers which we call Christians who uphold the truth which is why the church is called the Pillar of Truth.
Carolla
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Actually blackbelt1961 I do respect your right to belief; what I do not understand or respect is the apparent need to impose one's beliefs and language on others who may believe differently.
blackbelt1961
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I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone I'm just debating what the Bible and its Truth says and you are free and everyone else is free to debate with me , and actually I welcome it.
Carolla
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I'm not a person with an interest in arguing as I often have experienced & observed it to be pointless - which is why I often do not engage with you or unsafe in your 'debate'. I am more apt to explore & exchange ideas respectfully, ponder the words of others.
blackbelt1961
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Ok , and I'm a bible-believing Christian I believe that Jesus is the truth and the only way and I debate form that perspective you can disbelieve it if you wish I mean at the end of the day it's your choice it's everybody else's choice but it doesn't mean I should be silenced on a Church form because that's what I believe.
BetteTheRed
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I think the question here is not 'silencing'. It's freedom of interpretation.
You and unsafe and others claim to the have the Word of God in hand. But you can't really tell us which word. Which original language? Are we starting from Hebrew or Latin for the Hebrew Bible? Who are the specialists in Koine greek? Did you know that Paul made up a word or two? Which books? (Catholic canon, Protestant canon? Gnostic gospels?) Which translation? I'll tell you - you wanna put the Message next to the Inclusive next to GW or the AMP on some passages and you'd wonder if they were translating the same passage.
So different groups of people have come to hugely disparate conclusions about these texts. So "bible-believing" is an amorphous statement, at best. And it just isn't a credential for standing on your soapbox, loudly, or largely, proclaiming, that "I Have Won. I Have the Only Right Answer."
So, perhaps you are not being silenced as much, as self-excluding yourself from a relational sort of conversation.
You and unsafe and others claim to the have the Word of God in hand. But you can't really tell us which word. Which original language? Are we starting from Hebrew or Latin for the Hebrew Bible? Who are the specialists in Koine greek? Did you know that Paul made up a word or two? Which books? (Catholic canon, Protestant canon? Gnostic gospels?) Which translation? I'll tell you - you wanna put the Message next to the Inclusive next to GW or the AMP on some passages and you'd wonder if they were translating the same passage.
So different groups of people have come to hugely disparate conclusions about these texts. So "bible-believing" is an amorphous statement, at best. And it just isn't a credential for standing on your soapbox, loudly, or largely, proclaiming, that "I Have Won. I Have the Only Right Answer."
So, perhaps you are not being silenced as much, as self-excluding yourself from a relational sort of conversation.