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To transform it.Was the mission of Jesus to support the religion he was born into or to reform it?
Money becomes necessary when the range of our gifts must extend beyond the people we know personally.Assuming that we might all agree that capitalism REQUIRES the charging of interest on loans.
My 'Commons' sense informs me that global resources such as air, land, water and biodiversity do not belong to one political 'party' or another any more than they belong to any one community or individual or another.
Global 'Commons' belong to humanity as a whole and if left or right comes into it ... the whole brain needs to be activated not just the left or the right of it.
Trump or Biden alone are not evil in and of themselves ... the system that they are in service to is the evil that Jesus reviled.
I am with Pontifex on the evil that is embodied in the 'Great Reset' agenda ... the road to hell paved with artificial good intentions is at the crux of that BEAST.
Like this ... $30m security contract awarded to a non vetted Sydney company by text?Amen!
Since the nineties I have seen a constant dismantling of the public sector here in Oz, replaced by the private sector, that has made the cost of basic utilities more expensive for the consumer. And, even more alarming, if the private corporation doesn't make enough profit - guess what - the government bails them out with taxpayer money. It's a corporate con......
Biden is NOT a socialist. He's a neoliberal hawk not much different from the Bushes (maybe he's softened a bit in his old age - but not a socialist.). He's still better than Frump.Well, if Biden wins the election, you guys (socialists/communists) are going to get to see first hand what those ideologies really look like. Trump is all that is keeping us from being swallowed by the globalist agenda.
The great reset. It can’t happen when the world superpower still believes in freedom.
Covid is just like global warming. Designed to make everyone broke, then dependent on government, who will overspend looking after you till it is broke. Then you can eat your pets and lose your homes. And wander around the romantic way George likes, on foot or if you are lucky on a horse. Till someone kills you because they want to eat your horse.
Then 8 billion people die. Started by a fake epidemic and lies about sea levels rising.
It’s already well underway. Airlines are dying. Small and medium businesses are dying. More lockdowns.
There will be some Stalinlike World leader.
look up the great reset. They make it sound good. Like the great place Jews were going to when loaded on trains.
If Biden wins, they will take away guns and kill all who resist
Then the reset. AOC’s knock down all inefficient houses and replace them with green ones. Your house is next, hop on this train and we will bring you back when we’ve made it green.
I’m glad I know how it turns out.
Of course if Trump wins, 4 more years of LLeft setting stuff impatiently on fire because Armageddon can’t come soon enough.
Both good and evil racing toward the return of Jesus.
Can we agree that the Biblical narratives point us towards a prosperous human being?
I think this puts cart before horse.This suggests, to me, that Socialism is to be preferred over Capitalism.
“The testimony of scripture is that Christ came so that we would have life in abundance. I think the jury is still out on what exactly that was intended to mean.” revjohnThe testimony of scripture is that Christ came so that we would have life in abundance. I think the jury is still out on what exactly that was intended to mean.
I think this puts cart before horse.
Socialism and Capitalism are both subsets of materialism in that both fail because they look more to the creature than they do the Creator. At best both can be forms of stewardship which is humanity taking the materials that God has given and using them to serve the common good.
Each is corruptible by the misuse of power.
Socialism is corruptible because it applies power corporately and coercively where Christ has given particular instruction to give freely of ourselves not to take feely from others.
Capitalism is corruptible because it knows no obligation to others and resists regulations that may protect the vulnerable.
There are variations on both which may direct either to a more satisfactory service of the common good. I don't think one is inherently more faithful to the Gospel of Christ than the other primarily because neither actually starts with the Creator and the fact that everything created belongs to the Creator.
Both socialism and capitalism focus on what is "mine" or what is "ours." The Bible is pretty clear that the focus should be on what is God's.
If my neighbour comes to me hungry or naked I'm going to need something slightly more material to cover that nakedness and end that hunger. I am also called to be a steward of Creation so sooner or later, our relationship with material things needs to be addressed.But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians
Fair enough.An itinerant, such as Jesus, who bears these qualities, expresses life abundant in and through all that person’s relations. A person possessing great material wealth, who has none of these qualities, I would consider poor.
I can wait.I will respond to your other comments a little later in the day. Good to have you back in the mix!
Rev John, do you believe our focus should be on recognizing and responding to the needs of others without worrying if it is a capitalist or socialist approach?
All depends on sequence. For some the material takes priority over the spiritual. We see this in Constantine, Luther, Calvin, and others. This is the origin of truth reduced to ritual. Others choose spirituality as primary, with the material considered as means to fulfilling our commitment to loving our neighbor as we love ourselves. This being the material expression of our relationship with God.If my neighbour comes to me hungry or naked I'm going to need something slightly more material to cover that nakedness and end that hunger.