ChemGal
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And what are you going to replace everything with?
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I am not...the planet as a whole, must. A transition to clean sources of energy - and alternatives are being and have been developed and must continue to....it must take place soon or the whole planet is screwed. Can’t say can’t...there must be solutions. We’ve gone to outer space, we can find ways to move away from fossil fuel. Sounds like you don’t think climate change is a problem or you are in denial because your province is afraid to lose its cash cow - so Albertans are more likely to be led to believe climate change is hyped.
Wildly Underestimated Oilsands Emissions Latest Blow to Alberta’s Dubious Climate Claims | The Tyee
As disaster looms, petro province lets industry call the shots.
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Mrs.Anteater
Just keep going....
Normal human reaction. Someone accused of doing something bad usually will react with” ....but ......is worse that me”. Right after “ you made me do it”. Then comes” I did it all for you”. Of course, they have a lot of PR employees who can pack that into a more scientific/ legal picture.
Graeme Decarie
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Bottom line - human life all over the world ends at some point in the not very different future. The action needed to survive that is huge and world wide. The oil industry in Alberta's magnificent careful oil fields has had no effect whatever in slowing the process of destruction that oil is causing this earth. And the levels of poisoning on this earth are steadily rising (despite the magnificent efforts of the Alberta oil industry.) Did y ou know that oil causes even more damage after it's put into cars or home oil furnaces? Putting purest of oil in cars will still destroy us. And the point of no return could be as soon as twenty years from now.
Our world faces destruction and even if the oil we burn is pure and virginal it will kill us - though not until inflicting 50 or more years of planetary destruction.
Our world faces destruction and even if the oil we burn is pure and virginal it will kill us - though not until inflicting 50 or more years of planetary destruction.
ChemGal
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What alternatives for all the different byproducts?I am not...the planet as a whole, must. A transition to clean sources of energy - and alternatives are being and have been developed and must continue to....it must take place soon or the whole planet is screwed. Can’t say can’t...there must be solutions. We’ve gone to outer space, we can find ways to move away from fossil fuel. Sounds like you don’t think climate change is a problem or you are in denial because your province is afraid to lose its cash cow - so Albertans are more likely to be led to believe climate change is hyped.
Wildly Underestimated Oilsands Emissions Latest Blow to Alberta’s Dubious Climate Claims | The Tyee
As disaster looms, petro province lets industry call the shots.
If there are alternatives, great. I'm just being realistic.
I do think climate change is a problem, but just dropping all the related products isn't a solution.
You keep talking about energy, I'm referring to so much more than energy.
What the frequency of hyped products of humanity being elected to extravagant positions for their humble intellects?
It appears to me as a glowing failure that will burn holes in the nite's guise ... occult knights? Thus it is difficult to observe in the inkyness of logistical words meant to baffle common folk ... it goes on and on and on ... in other words great authority once said that the common folk shouldn't approach it ... the tree 've knowledge!
It appears to me as a glowing failure that will burn holes in the nite's guise ... occult knights? Thus it is difficult to observe in the inkyness of logistical words meant to baffle common folk ... it goes on and on and on ... in other words great authority once said that the common folk shouldn't approach it ... the tree 've knowledge!
Graeme Decarie
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For Chem Gal, yes, yes. I see it all now. We have to use oil even if it's killing us. Better to die with our car engines running.....
Actually, there are alternatives already available. Wind power, for example, which can almost completely eliminate our oil dependence.
Oh, but that would upset Alberta. So we can't do it.
Tell us what magnificent progresss the oil companies have made in preparing for the near future.
Actually, there are alternatives already available. Wind power, for example, which can almost completely eliminate our oil dependence.
Oh, but that would upset Alberta. So we can't do it.
Tell us what magnificent progresss the oil companies have made in preparing for the near future.
Graeme Decarie
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Yes. Chem gal is right. If the oil industry says if it necessary, we much accept that and die gracefully.
Northwind
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@Graeme Decarie have you spent any time where it gets to -40 in the winter? How do you suggest homes get heated without oil and gas?
Thing is, eventually it won't matter whether you have money or not, all those billionaires will be just as humbled as the rest of the 99 per cent when the air and water become more precious than oil or gold. And when that happens, hell hath no fury like an angry dying mob
Cow patties?
Thing is, eventually it won't matter whether you have money or not, all those billionaires will be just as humbled as the rest of the 99 per cent when the air and water become more precious than oil or gold. And when that happens, hell hath no fury like an angry dying mob
Cow patties?
Pete and the God Patrice?
Graeme Decarie
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Northwind - you're so right. We should go on burning all the oil we like. Let our children die in what follows.
BetteTheRed
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Maybe a question open for discussion. If you live in a place where you cannot heat with wind/solar/geothermal, do we consider that part of the planet uninhabitable at present? Also, Inuit lived in places at -40. Can their lives/lifestyle not be mimicked?
Northwind
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Graeme I did not suggest that. What I am suggesting is that current technology is not up to the task.
As I asked before, what do you suggest we do now for heating homes when it's -40. Have you spent winter in such a climate.
Northwind
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Solar and wind are not enough at this point. You could operate a water heater or supplement your lighting or something with those. Geothermal is promising indeed. Many people are using it in new homes. We looked into it. It was way too expensive to retrofit a home with it.
They did indeed. They no longer do that. I am sure though some of what they know could be used. I imagine though some of it involved using seal oil for lamps and heating.
BetteTheRed
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Absolutely. But it also used the existence of extreme cold to make ice/snow insulation.
Graeme Decarie
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Take a deep breath. The only alternative is that everyone on this planet will die - and soon.
But I guess we can always leave our oil stoves on after we go.
But I guess we can always leave our oil stoves on after we go.
Mendalla
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Honestly, Graeme? I doubt that's what is going to happen. And it won't be a sudden catastrophe but a generational one, probably taking decades or centuries. And humans could conceivably survive as a species, but with a reduced population and likely a major collapse of society as we know it. I fully expect some form of the genus homo to be around for a while yet.
And if we do go, then evolution does another reset and redo, just as happened after all the past mass extinctions. I have said it before and I shall say it again, we are fighting for own species' existence, not the world's. The world, including life, is going to go merrily on without us if we f*** this up. And the myriad forms of life that may exist in other solar systems? They likely don't even know we're here so likely won't know we're gone.
As far as heating goes, I thought oil burning furnaces were largely gone anyhow due to cost. Natural gas and electric are the most common heating around here as far as I know. Natural gas is okay as a stop gap since it emits less CO2 than oil or coal. Eventually, we'll have to mostly switch to electric heat powered by nuclear or wind (since wind is likely possible in some Northern areas) would do the job. Possibly even hydro in some areas.
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Northwind
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Okay then. How disrespectful. I asked you a question. Clearly it too much to ask for a reasonable answer.