Notre-Dame is in flames

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This is sad. The roof has totally collapsed, I just read. That’s a French national treasure. I’ve never been, but my parents have.

I was just going to post about it but you beat me to it 1/2 hr ago.
 

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The spire is gone, collapsed after the fire burst through the roof. I have been in Notre Dame and it is as beautiful as it looks in pictures. This is a heartbreaking cultural loss.
 
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It is. Shocking to watch. Just read that emergency crews are trying to salvage some of the artwork, because after the spire collapsed, it looks like the whole frame and inside is going to burn.
 
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Trump, as much as I don’t like him, suggested “flying water tankers” to put out the blaze. I think he meant water-bombers...nevertheless, that would be a good idea because ground crew is having a hard time getting at it.
 

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Trump, as much as I don’t like him, suggested “flying water tankers” to put out the blaze. I think he meant water-bombers...nevertheless, that would be a good idea because ground crew is having a hard time getting at it.
It would likely destroy the building and cause damage an injuries in the immediate area. A water bomber drops a whole lottta weight
 

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Trump, as much as I don’t like him, suggested “flying water tankers” to put out the blaze. I think he meant water-bombers...nevertheless, that would be a good idea because ground crew is having a hard time getting at it.
That would be sort of like Mitt Romney suggesting that his wife open the window on the airplane for fresh air, back in the 2012 campaign. He really was clueless, as is Trump. @GordW is right; it water bombers would cause far more problems than they'd solve.
 
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Ok. Well, it doesn’t look like they’re going to put it out from the ground before the whole thing burns down.

I read that just a few days ago, they lifted statues out of there for renovations - so tourists saw statues moving through the air. And days before that, a woman was caught suspected of a terrorist plot to bomb Notre Dame. I hope this was accidentally caused.
 

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I hope this was accidentally caused.
That's apparently what the current assumption is, given the reno. I have to say, though, it almost seems more tragic if it was some idiot dropping his blow torch or leaving some equipment on or something. Terrorism or war at least gives you a clear rationale for something happening. An accident is just random chance, maybe carelessness. Failing your saving throw as we called it in my D&D days.
 
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Hundreds of years of history up in flames due to an accident - it lasted all this time - just as they were starting renovations - a pile of money was just poured into those, too. Financially, it’s devastating too...because of the renos and because it’s one of the most well known tourist attractions in the country.
 

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My heart is hurting. I have been to Notre Dame twice, I have stood on that spire. The second time I went, I was on the rooftop standing beside some gargoyles when the bells started to chime, I have a video of it somewhere. From a museum perspective, fire is the worst, not only do you have the fire itself but the smoke damage and the water damage from putting it out.
 

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I am not sure we were on the roof. I remember being on the roof of the cathedral in Milan (another great, beautiful church), but I don't think we visited the roof at Notre Dame for some reason.
 

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It's almost a thousand years old. This news has left me stunned. Partly because, I suspect, of the performance of Charles Laughton as the hunchback of Notre Dame. I really still can't grasp the tragedy of it.
 

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It's almost a thousand years old. This news has left me stunned. Partly because, I suspect, of the performance of Charles Laughton as the hunchback of Notre Dame. I really still can't grasp the tragedy of it.
What? Not the singing, dancing Disney version? :rolleyes::D

Latest I saw is that they are pretty much in a "salvage what they can" mode, trying to rescue artwork and see if the can save at least the North tower.
 

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Really liked the gargoyles.
Just thinking the poor person or company who caused it- no insurance of the world could cover this damage.
 

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it was a no-fault electrical fire
Very few electrical fires are no fault, though. They are usually due to badly done wiring (e.g. the twit who used lamp cord to do a homemade wiring job in my first house) or misuse/mishandling of electrical devices (e.g. overamped fuses or octopuses). I get what you're saying, just I wouldn't necessarily have chosen electrical as the example.
 

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We were there in 1997. It was pretty amazing. I loved the architecture.

Water bombers are a catastrophically stupid idea. It's not like a fire suddenly goes out when you do that, and you can't drop thousands of gallons of water with pinpoint accuracy in a city crowded with people and other buildings. Old, dry timber will still burn. Trump continues to be a know-it-all moron.

The scaffolding is a telltale sign that it was related to the repairs. A grinder, a torch, a cigarette, who knows. It could also have been deliberately set, I suppose.

France will rebuild this. The challenge is to save as much as possible, without loss of life.
 
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I'm a moron too for the water bomber comment, then. I assumed they could control the amount and intensity and direction of the water they dropped - that they could have more precision. I didn't realize that they operate the way they do.
 
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Very few electrical fires are no fault, though. They are usually due to badly done wiring (e.g. the twit who used lamp cord to do a homemade wiring job in my first house) or misuse/mishandling of electrical devices (e.g. overamped fuses or octopuses). I get what you're saying, just I wouldn't necessarily have chosen electrical as the example.
Rats chewing on exposed wiring? They were probably coming out of the woodwork, literally, when the renovations started.
 
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