Bible Study Thread: Luke

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My mind is wandering a bit today - but this made me wonder -
Jesus warns against hypocrisy. The crowds are now gathering by the thousands and trampling each other.
With such huge crowds gathering in open air spaces, how did Jesus' message even get reliably conveyed to such throngs in that day & age? I suspect there must have been great capacity for error. I suppose some would say the spirit would prevent such an occurrence of miscommunication, but still. Interesting to just think that now in our own small churches, the minister is often equipped with a microphone - something unheard of (no pun intended) even 50 years ago. Is it our inattention, failing hearing, timidity of speech that causes us to reach for technology? Sorry - not to derail ... but just a wandering mind today.
 
My mind is wandering a bit today - but this made me wonder -

With such huge crowds gathering in open air spaces, how did Jesus' message even get reliably conveyed to such throngs in that day & age? I suspect there must have been great capacity for error. I suppose some would say the spirit would prevent such an occurrence of miscommunication, but still. Interesting to just think that now in our own small churches, the minister is often equipped with a microphone - something unheard of (no pun intended) even 50 years ago. Is it our inattention, failing hearing, timidity of speech that causes us to reach for technology? Sorry - not to derail ... but just a wandering mind today.
The huge crowds did not write the Gospels the Inner Circle the apostles did those who gather around him some some heard the message some probably heard a portion some didn't who knows but they did not write the Gospels
 
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Carolla -----your quote -----With such huge crowds gathering in open air spaces, how did Jesus' message even get reliably conveyed to such throngs in that day & age? I suspect there must have been great capacity for error

unsafe says ----Jesus was 100% human and 100% Divine so the Divine part of Jesus would have made sure all heard His Message Loud and Clear --So all would have heard it but few understood it ----And God doesn't make errors-- ever--

unsafe says ----your are correct in this statement you make --------- I suppose some would say the spirit would prevent such an occurrence of miscommunication, but still.

this ---- but still -- you quote ------ shows your disbelief - lack of knowledge and trust in God and His word ---
 
With such huge crowds gathering in open air spaces, how did Jesus' message even get reliably conveyed to such throngs in that day & age? I suspect there must have been great capacity for error
Quite an image, isn't it? Thousands of people trampling each other, all trying to get near to Jesus.
 
this ---- but still -- you quote ------ shows your disbelief - lack of knowledge and trust in God and His word --
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The huge crowds did not write the Gospels the Inner Circle the apostles did those who gather around him some some heard the message some probably heard a portion some didn't who knows but they did not write the Gospels
I think the question being raised is how well the crowds would have been able to hear Jesus as He spoke. Did they catch a few snippets, do you think?
 
I think the question being raised is how well the crowds would have been able to hear Jesus as He spoke. Did they catch a few snippets, do you think?
I don't know all we know is what scripture says that they were multitudes, so instead of me speculating I would say that Jesus being filled with the Holy Spirit knew what He was doing and I put my trust in that
 
Growing up in the church, I always heard these stories about the multitudes without realizing the word meant "crowds" or "lots of people".
 
I think the question being raised is how well the crowds would have been able to hear Jesus as He spoke. Did they catch a few snippets, do you think?
No doubt there were snippits circulating - and we know how news travels through a crowd. And certainly in the day, news was not transmitted to the wider public by the written gospels - that came a very long time later. There were some letters later - available to a few, who would I guess share the information verbally with the 'multitudes' (good point P3 on language!) And even today as we read & study the written scripture - we have widely varying interpretations. Lots to ponder.
 
I think the question being raised is how well the crowds would have been able to hear Jesus as He spoke. Did they catch a few snippets, do you think?

I'm thinking of how the occupy movement communicated so that everyone understood. In a "call out" fashion.

I'm also thinking that this is another place where we misunderstand ancient writings that arise from an oral culture.
 
Are music festivals a universal phenomenon? It's a place where people usually try to behave/co-operate in order to listen to great music?
 
Summary: Luke 12: 35 - 48

Jesus cautions that the Son of Man will be coming at an unexpected hour.

Jesus tells the story of the unfaithful slave. He asks, "Who is the prudent manager whom the master puts in charge of the slaves, to give them their allowance of food at the proper time?"

Blessed is the slave whom the master finds at work when he comes. What if the master arrives unexpectedly and finds the slave beating the other slaves, eating, drinking and becoming drunk? The slave will be cut in pieces and put with the unfaithful.

The slave who knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself, will receive a severe beating. The one who did not know better will receive a light beating.

From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required. From the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded. (v. 48)
 
Luke 12: 35 - 48

Other than verse 48, which is quite familiar to me, I have not often heard this story.

What are we to make of Jesus and his talk of beating slaves? Even as parable or metaphor, I find it offensive. I fully realize I am looking at the story from a present day perspective, but all the same I find it offensive.

This text gives us a rather judgmental Jesus, don't you think?

The message seems to be that much will be asked of those who have the gift of faith. This is something to ponder, for sure.
 
What if the master arrives unexpectedly and finds the slave beating the other slaves
What if we substitute other words for "slaves"? .... finds the humans beating the other humans .... finds the Christians beating the other Christians .... What would the master (God) make of such behaviours in those entrusted with the care of each other?

Another bit is that the master arrives unexpectedly - how do we behave differently when we expect to be observed by significant others, as compared to how we behave when we think we are not on view?
 
What are we to make of Jesus and his talk of beating slaves?

I'm thinking of people in positions of power abusing those who rely on them, for training (sports coaches) or spiritual guidance (priests, etc.), and, generally being children, are in about the same position as a slave, for all practical purposes.
 
What if we substitute other words for "slaves"? .... finds the humans beating the other humans .... finds the Christians beating the other Christians .... What would the master (God) make of such behaviours in those entrusted with the care of each other?
The text tells us the master will cut such an individual into pieces and place the person with the unfaithful. So I guess we can put a positive spin on this and say that God does not desire mistreatment of others.

Verses 47 - 48 give me more trouble with their talk of severe, deserved and light beatings.

Is a master beating his slaves a good metaphor for our relationship with God?

Luke 12:47-48 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
47 That slave who knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself or do what was wanted, will receive a severe beating. 48 But the one who did not know and did what deserved a beating will receive a light beating. From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded.
 
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